Another NBN Thread

[tall_bearded01]

So we can all really know where Tony and Co, who love all things American, got their vision for the future of internet in Australia.

In the US like here, internet services are provided by private companies.

In the US like here, most rural communities are significantly disadvantaged because these said same telecom companies refuse to provide a high speed service to those rural communities because it’s simply would not generate sufficient profit. In effect, they, like rural communities her,e are expected to pay a premium price for a substandard service.

So these communities got together and created Community Networks which actually run at a small profit.

Now the very same telecom companies who refuse to provide the service in the first place are now lobbying Congress to make Community Internet Networks illegal.

[poddster]

The NBN was a rip off from the start and it is borne out by the facts that are emerging.

If you care to look back in the history of the NBN on this site you will find that I have always said it was a white elephant.

[gleee58]

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@poddster wrote:

The distinction between a liar and someone passing on nonfactual information is that the liar has full knowledge of the non fact they are sprouting forth. The other is just does not have factual knowledge or understanding.

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Who is passing on non factual information?  

This is people having a conversation and we don't need you sticking your nose in accusing people of not telling the truth or not knowing what they're talking about. They know more about their experience than you do, even though you think you know it all.

[gleee58]

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@poddster wrote:

The NBN was a rip off from the start and it is borne out by the facts that are emerging.

If you care to look back in the history of the NBN on this site you will find that I have always said it was a white elephant.

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Just because you have always said something that doesn't make it true.  All that does is prove you have a closed mind about it.

[poddster]

Facts and NBN performance history are proof.  

[debra9275]

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@poddster wrote:

The NBN was a rip off from the start and it is borne out by the facts that are emerging.

If you care to look back in the history of the NBN on this site you will find that I have always said it was a white elephant.

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 I don't know how you can say that when you've worked in IT 

[debra9275]

not that I know much about it but OH says it woul'dve been a good thing. he compares it to the difference between dial up and the first time we got cable. & he would know I might add

[poddster]

Deb, because I have,and continue to work in IT, is the very reason that I can and do say that the NBN as sold the gullible. unformed people, is a rip off. It will never perform as it was originally stated by JOOLYA!!! She was sold on getting votes from uninformed voters and in a great hurry to say the least, without cost benefit analysis and not even a feasibility study. It was a quick and dirty grab for votes. 

Unsuspecting voters were sucked in , big time

[gleee58]

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@debra9275 wrote:

not that I know much about it but OH says it woul'dve been a good thing. he compares it to the difference between dial up and the first time we got cable. & he would know I might add

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As do most of those who work in or along side the IT professions.  

The only ones who opposed the NBN were those opposed for political idealogical reasoning.

I don't want to work with IT staff who insist on avoiding the new technologies because they fear the future, or change, or policy because it was introduced by Labor.  A network of the future is what we need not a few more bandaids, plastic bags and string to make the past fit the present.

[debra9275]

I think you're just saying that because it was a labor party plan poddster.

OH still works in IT & he disagrees with your views

Ballarat is connected to a fibre network

[tall_bearded01]

And therein lays the purpose behind my thread.

As more and more businesses and government departments use the internet as their primary means of communicating with client’s/customers, access to affordable internet has ceased to be a luxury and has become a necessity. Yet millions - not thousands, not tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands, but millions - of Australians are being denied exactly that, and in fact, those being denied it, are more often than not those who most need it.

I live in an area where, though we pay full rates for postage we do not get home delivery and the nearest post office is a 40 km round trip away. Where we pay full rates but our home fronts a dirt road. If we need to see the doctor it’s a 120 km round trip. There is one closer, but his patient book is full so won’t take on any more regulars, and because of the kind of medication we take, we need to attend appointments once per month. If we need to see a specialist it twice the distance. There is no public transport so we have to have to have two cars, because if one breaks down or need to be serviced we can’t call a cab or get on a bus. If we need…I think you get the picture.

Now the only internet service we have is wireless with our combined month phone and internet bill being $120+, and we are only able to keep it that low because we are very frugal with the amount of calls we make, and the amount internet we use.

My point is this. We pay the same taxes as those living in population centres, and as such, when it comes to essential services, we have as much right to be provided with the same level of service at the same price as everyone else; and the internet is an essential service. So if, for a $120 a Telco will provide a full bells and whistles plan (includes line rental, unlimited free local and STD and some international calls and unlimited internet service) to someone with an ADSL2 connection, then I have a right to receive that same product at that same price, even if the only mode delivery is wireless. I have that right because it was my tax dollar which paid for the infrastructure so others could be provided with the ADSL connection, so why I am not entitled to same.

So as far as I, and millions of other disadvantaged Australians living I rural areas are concerned, Turnbull has two options. He can either put the fibre in the ground so that every Australian can access the same level of service at the same price, or if that cost too much, legislate to force the Telco’s to provide the product at the same price irrespective of mode of delivery.