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Yet Another Study Shows Low IQ And Right-Wing Ideology Go Hand-In-Hand


 


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/04/24/yet-another-study-shows-low-iq-and-right-wing-ideology-go-hand-in-hand/


 


 


~ interesting article.


 


Ive always thought people with low IQs are prone to being racist, homophobic etc. it just makes sense.

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Yet another study is the title of the article


 


It has been discussed before but was duff here?



 


I have seen more zero id's from Duff than any other poster here.. 


 


Would not surprise me if she was here. 

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Oh! ok - how do you know?


 


I know I started a thread on it a few years ago, it is more the fear they are willing to indulge in than anything I think.

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Well Duff would say it was her.. that is how I know who it was... no other reason.. 


 


and you posted the article and not that long ago someone else posted it again... 


 


First time interesting... second time not so.. third time totally boring 

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Also an interesting article: (I'm posting the whole article instead of a link because links can be a bit dodgy sometimes. the one in the OP did not open for me)


 


 


Does a low IQ make you right-wing?


That depends on how you define left and right


 


 




So right-wingers are stupid – it’s official. Psychologists in Canada have compared IQ scores of several thousand British children, who were born in 1958 and 1970, with their stated views as adults on things such as treatment of criminals and openness to working with or living near to people of other races. They also looked at some US data which compared IQ scores with homophobic attitudes.





The conclusion: your intelligence as a child correlates strongly with socially liberal views. People with low IQs tend to be more in favour of harsh punishments, more homophobic and more likely to be racist. Interestingly, as these were IQ scores measured when young this does seem to be a measure of something innate, not merely exposure to ‘liberal’ views through education.



The inference is that what we call conservatism is a symptom of limited intellectual ability, signified by fear of the new and of outsiders, a retreat into tradition and tribal loyalty, and an unsophisticated disgust at sexual mores that deviate even slightly from the norm. Put bluntly stupidity correlates with insecurity, hatred, pessimism and fear, intelligence with confidence, optimism and trust.





Cue howls of outrage and not just from the right. In fact, left-wingers, liberals, call them what you will (and as I will argue these terms are far from interchangeable) have maintained something of an embarrassed silence about this. Liberals tend to dislike talk of innate intelligence and are distrustful of IQ tests and any hints of biological determinism. It might suit them politically to say their opponents are dim, but (they like to think) they are too polite to say so.






So what is going on here? Are conservatives really, statistically and meaningfully, less intelligent than socialists? Or is the story more subtle?


In fact there is nothing new in pointing to a link between social attitudes and intelligence. In 2010 the evolutionary psychologist Satochi Kanazawa, who works at the London School of Economics, analysed data from 20,000 young Americans and found that average IQ increased steadily from those who described themselves as ‘very conservative’ to those who describe themselves as ‘very liberal’. A study looking at British children, carried out by Ian Deary, reached a conclusion neatly summarised by the title of the paper: 'Bright Children become Enlightened Adults'. Other studies have found correlations between strong religiosity (a traditional marker of conservatism) and low intelligence.







So case closed? Not really. The problem here is how we define ‘left’ and ‘right’ thinking, what this means socially and politically. A moment’s thought shows that the faultlines are not only blurred but they are legion, cris-crossing across traditional political strata and have changed through time.




As Steven Pinker points out in The Better Angels of our Nature, his marvellous book about the history of violence, social liberalism does not equate necessarily with economic socialism. He points to a study by the economist Bryan Caplan, an economist at George Mason University in Virginia, who found that smart people tend to think like economists, being in favour of free trade, globalisation and free markets and against protectionism and state intervention in industry. This matches other findings that show that IQ correlates not with left-wing thinking as such, but with classic Enlightenment liberalism.





So a smart person (all else being equal) will probably be in favour of capitalism generally, and free-trade in particular. He or she will distrust state intervention in the markets, probably be suspicious of welfarism and deeply dislike protectionism, union closed-shops and tariffs. The smart person will believe that the have-nots should be encouraged to become haves by dint of their own labours and by the levelling of economic playing fields, NOT by taking money off the haves and giving it to them. In other words, Thatcherism. Hardly something we equate with the left.




But there is another side to what the Smarts believe. They are pro-immigration (immigration being a form of free trade, in this case in human labour). They are impeccably socially liberal. They do not care what consenting adults get up to in bed and would legalise gay marriage without a thought. They are as near as is possible to be colour blind and strongly favour sexual equality. They are internationalist and despise petty nationalism. And they are suspicious of the war on drugs and in fact of wars in general and do not believe the public should in general be allowed to own firearms. These are the social views, then, of the British metropolitan Left. So what is it then? Are dim people right or left? Here we meet the problem of defining liberalism and left-wingery.





A belief in economic redistribution of wealth does not correlate with social liberalism. The nations of the Cold War Communist bloc were ferociously ‘Left Wing’ in terms of a belief in statism, nationalised industries, basic equality and so forth but socially and in other ways they were far, far to the ‘right’ of any mainstream European or American party. The Soviet education system was brutally elitist – no wishy-washy mixed-ability nonsense there. Militarism and conscription were the norm. Communist states had and had an attachment to capital punishment, repression of homosexuals and paid only lipservice to sexual equality (Russian women were free to work, but they had to go back and do the cleaning and cooking when they had finished).



In today’s world the most ‘right wing’ attitudes are to be found not in the American Bible Belt but in sub-Saharan Africa, the Caribbean and parts of Asia as well as Russia. Across most of Africa the majority has an eye-wateringly brutal view of homosexuality (gays face long terms of imprisonment or worse in many southern and eastern African states). If you want to see robust attitudes to crime, sexuality, feminism, immigration and religious freedom go to somewhere like Sudan or Mauritania, Uganda or even Kenya and Jamaica.



The paradox is that the political discourse in nations such as these has been dominated by a leftish post-colonialism. The epitome of this paradox is, or was (attitudes have relaxed) Communist Cuba where attitudes to gays, criminals, and people of non-European descent would have softened the heart of a Mississippi Klansman.


 


 






Fidel Castro Historical context: Homosexuality was illegal under Clement Attlee's 'left-wing' Labour government, but not under Margaret Thatcher's 'right-wing' Conservative administration


Paradox: In terms of social attitudes, Fidel Castro's communist Cuba was more 'right-wing' than Margaret Thatcher's Conservative administration









The correlation between left-wing views, liberal social attitudes and intelligence probably has a political significance only in advanced industrial societies where the values of the liberal enlightenment (a belief in freedom, fairness, reason, science, free trade, the rule of law, property rights and gentle commerce) govern society. It is probably true to say that in Britain, France, the US, Canada and so forth there is a correlation, and an interesting one, between intelligence and sexual liberalism and openness to people from a different culture and/or race. But these views can be held by some pretty stupid people as well (the politically correct anti-christmas, coffee-with-milk, crazy-islamist-welcoming brigade).





We probably need some new words. ‘Left’ and ‘Right’ have become so tarnished by a century of propaganda and ill-advised alliances that they have become almost meaningless. We have a notionally ‘right of centre’ government in the UK and yet in its historical and geographical context the Cameron administration must be one of the most ‘left-wing’ administrations in the history of humanity – a consequence of modernity as much as anything else (under Clement Attlee gays were imprisoned, under Thatcher they were not). Increasingly, traditional right-wing views (blatant racism, sexism and homophobia) are simply seen as beyond the pale. In the US the current crop of Republican candidates mostly come across as a bunch of swivel-eyed fruitcakes to us, but none of them, from Mitt Romney downwards, would express the view that ‘the only good Indian is a dead Indian’ which is what the historically revered future ‘liberal’ president, Theodore Roosevelt wrote in 1886. 



Liberalism is a function then not only of intelligence but of modernity. Illiberal, ‘stupid’ states such as Mauritania and Saudi Arabia are, quite literally, stuck in the past (even if their citizens are not individually stupid). Plenty of bright people hold illiberal views (attitudes to violent crime do not fall into convenient left-right camps) and a few dim people are impeccably enlightened. Increasingly, clever people hold a series of views that may be construed as ‘right’ or ‘left’ simultaneously. The challenge for the political parties is to find a way of reflecting this and representing this voice on the national level. And that will require some very clever thinking indeed.





By Michael Hanlon

Mail Online








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Finally managed to open OP's link.  Some interesting comments ;\


 


 


 


What people vote for and their views tend to be different. While wealthy people generally have a higher IQ due to better education etc. they still vote Republican so they can get their tax cuts and other benefits they give to the wealthy.

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here is more.


If anyone has read it or doesn't wish to read it ...don't 


Please respect that people other than yourselves may not have and/or may wish to.


 


Do Racism, Conservatism, and Low I.Q. Go Hand in Hand?


Lower cognitive abilities predict greater prejudice through ring-wing ideology.Published on April 22, 2013 by Goal Auzeen Saedi, Ph.D. in Millennial Media


 


This morning as I logged onto Facebook, I came upon this image. Having followed the Boston marathon and MIT shooting coverage init...religion. And alas, it has.


 


however, what struck me most about this image posted above was the Facebook page it came from, “Too Informed to Vote Republican.” I wondered about this, recalling an old journal article I’d come across when studying anti-Islamic attitudes post 9/11. The paper referenced a correlation between conservatism and low intelligence. Uncertain of its origin, I located a thought-provoking article published in one of psy...


read more:http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-han...

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I love this :^O:^O:^O


 


 


In plain English - for any stupid right-wing people reading this - if you're bright you'll become a lefty and if you're dumber than a bag of hammers you'll veer to the right. Why? Because apparently people with low IQs are drawn towards political creeds that "provide psychological stability" and "a sense of order", which they're more likely to find in conservatism than in PC circles.


 


 


 



It is testament to the arrogance of many modern liberals that they seized upon this study as cast-iron confirmation of their moral superiority. From The New York Times to The Guardian, commentators who have always felt instinctively better than the rabble could now claim scientific proof it was true.


 


 


The study shows conservatism is "the refuge of the dim", British columnist George Monbiot said. "It feels crude, illiberal to point out that the other side is more stupid than our own", he said, before crudely and illiberally pointing out precisely that.


 


 


Another commentator says the study could be a great debate winner: "Next time you call a group of right-wingers idiots, you can back yourself up with one word: Science!" In short, why go to all the intellectual bother of having hard arguments with people when you can just throw a scientific paper at them and say: "Case closed: you're stupid!"


 


 



There's a brilliant irony to this use and abuse of science to prove liberal superiority: these supposedly clever liberals didn't once stop to think that maybe the Canadian study is flawed, and that maybe it is a bit dodgy, when you consider the darker moments of the 20th century, to use so-called science to demonstrate one's moral supremacy over other groups of people.


 


 


No sooner had these commentators' self-congratulatory columns rolled off the presses than academic experts - people who know a thing or two about stats - were questioning the findings of the Canadian study. William M Briggs, Professor of Statistical Science at Cornell University in New York, described the study as "a contender for the worst use of statistics in an original paper ever".


 


 


Ominously titled Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes, the study was carried out by two researchers at Canada's Brock University. They reached their conclusion that "less intelligent children come to endorse more socially conservative ideologies as adults" by looking at research into about 16,000 people in Britain in the past 50 years.


 


 


These individuals' IQs were measured at age 10 or 11; then later in life, between 30 and 33, they were asked about their ideological outlook. Lo and behold, the ones who were dumb as kids had morphed into right-wing adults.


 


 


Yet as Briggs and others point out, the research is based on a flawed understanding of IQ. Our intelligence levels are not fixed by the ages of 10 or 11. Some people become bright later in life, often in their teens.


 


 


In only measuring IQ at 10 or 11, and then political attitudes in the 30s, the Canadian study will have placed many of these late-developing intelligent people in the low-IQ box, so even people who are actually quite clever, yet who become right-wing, can end up being categorised as "less intelligent children" who became "socially conservative adults".


 


 


What's more, as Briggs points out, many of the questions asked of the subjects when they hit their 30s are so vague that, in effect, it was left to the researchers to work out whether their answers made them "conservative" or "liberal".


 


 


Briggs says the study is a "textbook example of confused data, unrecognised bias, and ignorance of statistics".


 


 


If liberals are so clever, why did they fall for such flimsy "science"? In the irony to end all ironies, their feverish embrace of this study rather confirms that its conclusions are inaccurate and that liberals can be as dim-witted as anyone else.


 


 


Even worse, there's something very dubious about using science to try to claim political superiority. Did these liberals not pay attention in history class? If they had, they would know that, in modern times, only the most reactionary groups of people, from anti-democrats to eugenicists to a certain German political party, mashed together pseudoscience and talk of "low IQ" to try to prove that certain people are inferior.


 


Indeed, when Monbiot says the Canadian study confirms what good people already knew - that the Western world is full of "misinformed, suggestible voters" - he breathes life back into a virulent strain of 19th-century snobbery.


 


 


Monbiot says modern-day conservative politicians are forced to "appeal to stupidity", which sounds a lot like a complaint made by a right-wing American thinker in the late 1800s, who said the problem with mass democracy is that politicians "are compelled to discard their political knowledge, their deliberate judgment, their calm and conscientious reflection all must be withdrawn or brought down to a conformity with those who possess the least of these qualities".


 


 


For decades, eugenically minded authoritarians argued against the inclusion of black people and workers in democratic politics on the basis that they were of "bad odour and low intelligence". Monbiot's claim that, today, "low-information" sections of society lack the "cognitive abilities" and "capacity for abstract thinking" to take part in serious politics is simply a more PC version of that old low political outlook.


 


 


 


We have witnessed something very worrying in response to the Canadian study: a new trend among left-wingers to rehabilitate some of the worst prejudices of the old authoritarian right.


 


 


Brendan O'Neill


The Australian


 


 

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As far as I'm concerned Iza,  there is no difference between posting links to long articles and posting the articles in full.  As long as its on topic, there shouldn't be a problem.   (you also need to be aware of any advertising to other online trading places in the links you post. I was kindly educated about that recently :^O)

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Iza, you do know that article that you reference also references back to that very same article that the op's references back too??? 


 


You are all  finding different ways to refer back to the very same article and have the same debate..... so that now makes four references back to the same article.. all with the exact same argument... 


 


how exciting and entertaining. 


 


I wish some people had the IQ to look into the article and make sure they are not just going around in circles. 


 


 

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Right wingers are dumber and more racist.


 


 



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