on 04-09-2013 10:11 AM
I hope he does have to call a Double dissolution and send whats left of Labor and the greens into the black hole they both deserve to be in and to never be seen again in Australia.
Double dissolution still an option over carbon tax if Labor steps in
AN Abbott government would take every constitutional option available to kill off the carbon tax, leaving open the prospect of a double dissolution election if Labor stands in its way.
In his strongest comments on the issue, Tony Abbott yesterday left open the possibility Australians would again head to the polls if Labor blocked his plans to repeal carbon tax legislation in the Senate.
"We will do whatever we need to do to scrap the carbon tax, including use of constitutional options open to us," he said.
But confusion remains on how Labor would vote.
Mr Abbott said "no sane political party" (my side note ***labor and the greens are NOT sane) would stand in his way and take "electoral poison" by supporting a position that already cost them an election.
Labor to die defending a useless tax it wants gone
Today we’ve taken the decision to terminate the carbon tax.
I don’t think our actions on the carbon tax were right, that’s why I changed it to move towards a floating price,” the Prime Minister told ABC TV.
“To begin with, we didn’t have a mandate for it.”
Labor now admits it had no mandate for a carbon tax it promises to “terminate”, yet - what madness, what deceit - seems determined to block its repeal in the Senate:
Labor is shaping, in Abbott’s words, to “commit political suicide twice” by pledging to use the Labor-Greens control of the Senate to keep the carbon tax and force voters back to the polls next year for a double-dissolution election on the tax.
While refusing to entertain “hypothetical” questions about Labor’s attitude in opposition to the carbon tax Rudd made it clear he thought Labor was on the “right side of history” and would remain so into the future.
Deputy Labor leader and potential opposition leader Anthony Albanese was even blunter about not changing, and Environment Minister Mark Butler entrenched Labor’s refusal to repeal the carbon tax.
And:
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd ... threatened to block the Coalition’s direct action plan, possibly forcing another election should Tony Abbott become prime minister…
Asked whether carbon pricing was ‘’an article of faith’’ for Labor now and in the future, Mr Rudd said: ‘’Absolutely. Carbon pricing is fundamental to how you deal with climate change.‘’
Labor will argue that it isn’t defending the carbon tax but the emissions trading scheme that’s meant to replace it next year under Labor policy, rather than let it be replaced by the Coalition’s “Direct Action”. But the effect is much the same. Labor’s opposition (with Greens support) would protect the carbon tax, both as a fixed price scheme for now and as a floating-price scheme after that.
Labor broke its promise to never give us a carbon tax, and now threatens to break its promise to get rid of it.
And when you consider it’s prepared to face annihilation in defence of a tax - fixed or floating - that will make zero difference to global warming anyway.... well, completely insane.
UPDATE
... if Labor does resist, then Abbott will drive another wedge through Labor’s voting base. He has tabled his attack: the carbon tax is a symbol of how Labor sold its soul to the Greens; if Labor keeps voting for a carbon price/tax then alienated voters will know that Labor is a lost cause.
Abbott, as PM, would use the authority of office and Labor’s dogmatic support for the carbon tax to steal even more of its voting base. How much will be left? At what point does Labor dogmatism on carbon become a fatal blunder?
In summary, Labor is trapped. If it stands by its policy it loses even more of its centrist voting base to Abbott. But if it surrenders to Abbott then Labor will be denounced as a party of sell-outs and lose its leftist base to the Greens.
04-09-2013 01:11 PM - edited 04-09-2013 01:11 PM
no,not exactly, I was responding to the OP KG
on 04-09-2013 01:23 PM
@kengillard wrote:o dear! complaining about what Tony Abbott "might" do, and he's not even elected yet>>>>
HATE these emoticons.!
Tony Abbott is talking about what he will do Gill .In any case ..I never vote without at least looking into things
04-09-2013 01:30 PM - edited 04-09-2013 01:31 PM
I wish he'd make some of his big promises such as Stop the Boats,Scrap the Carbon Tax, Budget Surplus promise 'Crystal Clear '
they really appear to not be able to be guaranteed at all ..
on 04-09-2013 01:59 PM
how do we know what our options are ? shifting goalposts on budget surplus years ...no policies for us to see as yet, no costings (nb recent change in guarantee surplus ...15 years post this election)
on 04-09-2013 05:02 PM
KG: "o dear! complaining about what Tony Abbott "might" do, and he's not even elected yet"
Well they can't really complain about what is inevitable, so why not use their imagination, and complain about what they think.
on 04-09-2013 05:13 PM
@monman12 wrote:KG: "o dear! complaining about what Tony Abbott "might" do, and he's not even elected yet"
Well they can't really complain about what is inevitable, so why not use their imagination, and complain about what they think.
ppffft . its fairly clear to me. if you look over the list of things said by him and deputies not repudiated in any real way .. its obvious what he wants and in turn what his masters want . the sins of the past are our best guide.
on 04-09-2013 06:15 PM
TA has stated that he will call a double dissolution if appropriate (to TA).
Bring it on. Forcing us into another election sure will whittle down his vote.
The man is becoming more unstable each day.
on 04-09-2013 07:36 PM
In the event of an election in the very near future, will the ousted Labor members run again??
Or will there be an all new inexperienced line up??
on 04-09-2013 07:52 PM
@poddster wrote:In the event of an election in the very near future, will the ousted Labor members run again??
Or will there be an all new inexperienced line up??
theres little experience on the coaltion benches of any real use, 5 years away throwing tantrums has probably blunted what skills were there in those old ghosts who haunt the liberal benches. the experienced leaders are gone. no credible treasurer, no foreign policy experience. car salesmen and rejects from belgium.
on 04-09-2013 08:18 PM
Oh the embarrassment you must be feeling to have your chosen lot trounced by that group of "rejects"
In a couple of decades your lot may be given another attempt if they get their act together