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bluecat*dancing · ‎19-11-2014

Did anyone watch "First Contact" on SBS last night and/or the reaction on NITV? It's a three part series in which a group of people who have had no contact with Indigenous people spend time in various Aboriginal communities over a period of 28 days. I was shaking my head at the rudeness and ignorance of some of the participants.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-19/sbs-program-first-contact-sparks-social-media-frenzy/5901890

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i-need-a-martini · ‎20-11-2014

@kilroy_is_here wrote:
Don't bother watching these types of programmes , give me a camera and time and could cement every possible stereotype for any nationality or race, they are filmed to invoke a response in this case to portray whites as racist , I wonder how well it would go down if I went around filming all the drunk aboriginals in parks and then said that was a fair representation of aboriginal australia, which we know it is not , this is nothing more than racist tv

Stereotypes?

Those 'stereotypes' are voicing the same opinions you hear on trains every day in Sydney. Not to mention the same garbage is sprouted by members on this forum in relation to indigenous people.

Whilst some of the participants come across as a little dim, their views are not uncommon amongst Australians.

lionrose.7 · ‎20-11-2014

Same as if you went around filming all the drunk white people in the parks and showed people in another country, would they think all Australians were like that.

rabbitearbandicoot · ‎20-11-2014

questions:

did Ray stay in the 'hostel' where the others stayed?

when they were interviewing the guy that ran the 'hostel', he said something about "when the people come in from the bush, they stay at the 'hostel'". Why did they have to stay at the hostel? When they are in the bush they 'rough it' - no hostels out there. Still, I suppose otherwise they would sleep in the parks etc, but it wouldn't be any extra hardship for them if that's what they are used to? And, last time I looked there are whites who sleep in parks and doorway too.

about the rent $80/fortnight V $380/week (ie $760/fortnight) paid by the Aboriginal driver. She said she paid full rent because she was working. Fair enough. BUT, I know several people (non-indiginous) that are forced to pay full rent ($360/week / $720/fortnight) to get a place - Yes, they get rent assistance from Centrelink, but no-where near $680/fortnight - I think about $40-$50 depending on their situation.

The other thing - if I were to take my wife and children to a bush town, and try to claim Centrelink, I would be told that I am not entitled to Centrelink because I moved into an area of low employment possibilities. BUT, if I were Aboriginal / Torres Straight Islander, I would be given Centrelink +.

I am all for EQUALITY - everone treated the same. Now, I will be called racist but I can live with that.

azureline** · ‎20-11-2014

I wouldn't call you racist for what you have written above but I would say you are unrealistic if you can't see the difference.

Centrelink gives you rent assistance if you rent and are on benefits.

Why would you move your family to somewhere like that if you had the choice? Perhaps those people didn't move there from anywhere.

They stay at the hostel because the other places don't allow them to stay there...................even though it is against the law to discriminate. They live in houses where they came from, to attend their medical appointments. Why should they sleep in parks?

gleee58 · ‎20-11-2014

@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:
questions:

did Ray stay in the 'hostel' where the others stayed?

when they were interviewing the guy that ran the 'hostel', he said something about "when the people come in from the bush, they stay at the 'hostel'". Why did they have to stay at the hostel? When they are in the bush they 'rough it' - no hostels out there. Still, I suppose otherwise they would sleep in the parks etc, but it wouldn't be any extra hardship for them if that's what they are used to? And, last time I looked there are whites who sleep in parks and doorway too.

about the rent $80/fortnight V $380/week (ie $760/fortnight) paid by the Aboriginal driver. She said she paid full rent because she was working. Fair enough. BUT, I know several people (non-indiginous) that are forced to pay full rent ($360/week / $720/fortnight) to get a place - Yes, they get rent assistance from Centrelink, but no-where near $680/fortnight - I think about $40-$50 depending on their situation.

The other thing - if I were to take my wife and children to a bush town, and try to claim Centrelink, I would be told that I am not entitled to Centrelink because I moved into an area of low employment possibilities. BUT, if I were Aboriginal / Torres Straight Islander, I would be given Centrelink +.

I am all for EQUALITY - everone treated the same. Now, I will be called racist but I can live with that.

It's called cherry picking the details, many of which are unture, looking for points to back up your prejudices.

And yes it is somewhat racist.

Just the whole argument about "them" as if they have no right to contribute to the debate is racist.

rabbitearbandicoot · ‎20-11-2014

@azureline** wrote:
I wouldn't call you racist for what you have written above but I would say you are unrealistic if you can't see the difference.
Centrelink gives you rent assistance if you rent and are on benefits.
Why would you move your family to somewhere like that if you had the choice? Perhaps those people didn't move there from anywhere.
They stay at the hostel because the other places don't allow them to stay there...................even though it is against the law to discriminate. They live in houses where they came from, to attend their medical appointments. Why should they sleep in parks?

"Centrelink gives you rent assistance if you rent and are on benefits." - Yes, I said that above, but I can guarantee it's no to the tune of $700+ a fortnight.

If they have money to pay, why would they be descriminated against? Yes, I know it happens, BUT when I have gone to stay at motels, I am asked to scan my credit card before they give me the keys. If I haven't got a credit card, I don't know what would happen - Would they discriminaste against me because I didn't have the means to pay? Would I call it discrimination or would I say 'fair enough' - you are trying to run a business?

If I (or you) went somewhere and didn't have the money (or a credit card) to pay for a motel, I would have to sleep in the car or wherever I could find.

rabbitearbandicoot · ‎20-11-2014

@gleee58 wrote:
@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:
questions:

did Ray stay in the 'hostel' where the others stayed?

when they were interviewing the guy that ran the 'hostel', he said something about "when the people come in from the bush, they stay at the 'hostel'". Why did they have to stay at the hostel? When they are in the bush they 'rough it' - no hostels out there. Still, I suppose otherwise they would sleep in the parks etc, but it wouldn't be any extra hardship for them if that's what they are used to? And, last time I looked there are whites who sleep in parks and doorway too.

about the rent $80/fortnight V $380/week (ie $760/fortnight) paid by the Aboriginal driver. She said she paid full rent because she was working. Fair enough. BUT, I know several people (non-indiginous) that are forced to pay full rent ($360/week / $720/fortnight) to get a place - Yes, they get rent assistance from Centrelink, but no-where near $680/fortnight - I think about $40-$50 depending on their situation.

The other thing - if I were to take my wife and children to a bush town, and try to claim Centrelink, I would be told that I am not entitled to Centrelink because I moved into an area of low employment possibilities. BUT, if I were Aboriginal / Torres Straight Islander, I would be given Centrelink +.

I am all for EQUALITY - everone treated the same. Now, I will be called racist but I can live with that.
It's called cherry picking the details, many of which are unture, looking for points to back up your prejudices.
And yes it is somewhat racist.

Just the whole argument about "them" as if they have no right to contribute to the debate is racist.

tell me which of the above points are untrue?

azureline** · ‎20-11-2014

No one said they get $700 in rent assistance. I believe there was something left out of that bit................

I am not sure of what you are suggesting re the motel.

Some people do discriminate against them, as said in the program...............when it was discussed, as to why it was usually only Indigenous folk who stay there. Perhaps you missed that part.

rabbitearbandicoot · ‎20-11-2014

@azureline** wrote:
No one said they get $700 in rent assistance. I believe there was something left out of that bit................
I am not sure of what you are suggesting re the motel.
Some people do discriminate against them, as said in the program...............when it was discussed, as to why it was usually only Indigenous folk who stay there. Perhaps you missed that part.

No, I didn't miss that part. It's another point I forgot to mention and that is - if I were destitute and had no-where to sleep - I COULDN'T GO THERE UNLESS I WAS ABORIGINAL.

Motel - try going into a motel to book a room without any money or a card - I don't care whether you are black, white or polkadot - YOU WILL NOT BE GIVEN A ROOM. * unless you happen to be a regular.

and before you say anything more .. Yes, I know Aboriginals have a hard time of it, but with every generation, things are getting better.

WE ALL (BLACK AND WHITE) HAVE TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

rabbitearbandicoot · ‎20-11-2014

@azureline** wrote:
"No one said they get $700 in rent assistance. I believe there was something left out of that bit................"

Aboriginal driver pays $380 per week / $760 a fortnight; the family they were talking about pay $80 fortnight. $760 - $80 is $680, sorry not $700 only $680 per fortnight.

Now, compare that with what a non-aboriginal person gets from Centrelink as rent assistance. Anyone receive rent assistance on here? How much is it?