on 05-04-2017 09:05 AM
what hope have we got fighting this drug problem. i'm sure for every 'big' find and siezure there must be dozens missed.
why are those charged not sitting in prison until they are put through court?
why do people take these drugs? if people didnt take them there would be no drug trade.
if the thought by taking these drugs you have a high chance of dieing isnt a deterrent then nothing is.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-05/victorian-police-and-afp-record-ice-haul-drugs-meth/8416718
05-04-2017 09:15 AM - edited 05-04-2017 09:15 AM
$898 million .........
That is more than shocking, it's saturation. You would think that life is short enough itself without taking this kind of rubbish to shorten it further, then living it addled, addicted, homeless and useless in society.
on 05-04-2017 09:25 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if the people connected with this shipment got 100 years in the slammer with a non-parole period of 90 years. We are often told that the cops etc are after the big players so here's the chance to send a message to the big players.
on 05-04-2017 10:05 AM
i dont mind so much if those who choose to take these drugs die, they're choice.
what i do mind is the huge amounts of tax money thats spent across the board trying to fix the drug problem that could be being used much better.
we spend millions on detection of illeagle drugs.
we spend millions on picking up druged out people then 'saving them', only for them to go out and do it again. and again.
its almost like people think well if it goes wrong i'll be ok cos everyone will drop whatever they are doing to save me. police, ambos, hospital staff ect ect.
i sometimes think it would be so much easier just to release a mass dose of fatal drugs, wipe out the druggies in one fell swoop.
kinda like we are doing with the rabbit problem.
no customers no drug problem, and who would wanna try drugs knowing it was pretty much death first try?
on 05-04-2017 10:36 AM
@village_person wrote:Wouldn't it be nice if the people connected with this shipment got 100 years in the slammer with a non-parole period of 90 years. We are often told that the cops etc are after the big players so here's the chance to send a message to the big players.
They aren't the big players,(more than likely mules ordered to take possesion of the shipment whilst the big
players hide in their mansions and have no hands on,so that they can't be touched).
I've always been one for let the punishment fit the crime,(so any convicted drug dealer should be given an
overdose of the carp they sell).
on 05-04-2017 10:59 AM
We are having the same Problem in NZ, what really worry me is so far nearly all the importers of drugs that have been caught and arrested are Chinese
Nearly all the drugs are coming in from China
They on sell the drugs to the Gangs
We call it P over here and it is destroying our childrens lives.
on 06-04-2017 10:25 PM
I'm not overly keen on the police publicizing these huge dollar amounts connected to drug busts.
For one thing, the figures are rubbery. In one report on the recent seizure, a cop was saying that nine million "hits" of ice were removed from circulation. On the same report, another authority on the subject said that a hit of ice in Australia costs $40. By my high school maths, that's a $360 million dollar seizure, not $900 mil.
Also, the value of the seizure to the crims isn't really $900 mil. They're wholesalers - they don't sell it by the gram. Maybe they'd realize a third or a quarter of that amount.
Has it never occured to anyone in authority that continually publicizing the highest conceivable value for every bust might actually encourage drug trafficking?
on 07-04-2017 09:20 AM
@davidc4430 wrote:i dont mind so much if those who choose to take these drugs die, they're choice.
what i do mind is the huge amounts of tax money thats spent across the board trying to fix the drug problem that could be being used much better.
we spend millions on detection of illeagle drugs.
we spend millions on picking up druged out people then 'saving them', only for them to go out and do it again. and again.
its almost like people think well if it goes wrong i'll be ok cos everyone will drop whatever they are doing to save me. police, ambos, hospital staff ect ect.
i sometimes think it would be so much easier just to release a mass dose of fatal drugs, wipe out the druggies in one fell swoop.
kinda like we are doing with the rabbit problem.
no customers no drug problem, and who would wanna try drugs knowing it was pretty much death first try?
Tell us what you really think Dave !!!.....
I know a few people who use ice. All except one are unemployed. They are locked into a subculture of unemployment, small time crime and welfare dependency. Their social problems are intergenerational. They include family violence or single parent families, poor engagement with education, usually loss of drivers licence and driving while suspended, peripheral engagement with serious criminals through drug dealing and sometimes petty theft. The list goes on and on.
If the drug users have children or younger siblings, the younger family members invariably follow the same path as older drug using members of the family. If a young family member tries to break the mould and do something worthwhile for themselves, the police still harass them because of family history. They find it hard to maintain employment as they have no role models, usually no means of transport and lack the normal systems of family support. Its very difficult to maintain employment when you are a homeless teenager due to family disruption and violence.
The constant cycle of boredom and lack of opportunity initially leads to dope use. Dope is seen by many as a harmless drug that has taken the place of alcohol as a recreational drug of choice. Drug dealers can at times lace the dope with ice or crack cocaine to get users hooked on harder drugs. The dope user often has their first hit of these harder drugs without consenting or actively knowing what is going on.
I personally think many of these problems result from society becoming too relient on the state instead of looking after themselves. Personal responsibility to feed and clothe yourself and your family has been replaced by a continually growing reliance on social services, family payments and free everything provided by the state. The votes attached to this provision of services by the state has become so large that no government is willing to acknowledge or address the problem. Every time an attempt is made to encourage people to take responsibility for their own affairs a huge uproar occurs, spurred on by the rise of social media.
I cant see any answer to the problems. Heaven help us all.
on 07-04-2017 09:44 AM
i'm really surprised it took so long to pick up on that line.
that aside, from various programs ive seen on tv about ice addictions its not confined to lower areas of wealth in the population, it covers every area from unemployed through to very highly paid people in society.
what of it if i said 'maybe we ought to just wipe out druggies'? the things we are doing now is working so well arnt they?
i do know my suggestion will never be used and rightly so.
doesnt mean it shouldnt be on the table in the discussion.
all i can see is a problem getting bigger and bigger without any real cure being devised.
so where are we heading? we'll have 2 groups, those using these drugs and those not using these drugs.
those not using will wind up living in fortresses to keep the users from getting in to steal anything to get funds to buy more drugs.
people afraid to leave the house for fear of being attacked by users.
businesses turned into fortresses with bars on windows and armed guards on the doors to keep the users out.
sounds like a zombie movie but it may well end up just like one.
anyone watching news programs can see these drugged up people are now killing other people to get the money to buy drugs!
will we reach a point where we say enough is enough? who knows.
on 07-04-2017 10:21 AM
@davidc4430 wrote:i'm really surprised it took so long to pick up on that line.
that aside, from various programs ive seen on tv about ice addictions its not confined to lower areas of wealth in the population, it covers every area from unemployed through to very highly paid people in society.
what of it if i said 'maybe we ought to just wipe out druggies'? the things we are doing now is working so well arnt they?
i do know my suggestion will never be used and rightly so.
doesnt mean it shouldnt be on the table in the discussion.
all i can see is a problem getting bigger and bigger without any real cure being devised.
so where are we heading? we'll have 2 groups, those using these drugs and those not using these drugs.
those not using will wind up living in fortresses to keep the users from getting in to steal anything to get funds to buy more drugs.
people afraid to leave the house for fear of being attacked by users.
businesses turned into fortresses with bars on windows and armed guards on the doors to keep the users out.
sounds like a zombie movie but it may well end up just like one.
anyone watching news programs can see these drugged up people are now killing other people to get the money to buy drugs!
will we reach a point where we say enough is enough? who knows.
I suspect the idea that the problem is spread throughout society is largly a pile of steamy P.C.B.S........ The do gooders dont want to acknowledge that an anti-social problem is related to one demographic in society. The same as the current western worlds problems of terrorist attacks are not related to Muslim extremists and most of the serious young offenders in adult prisons are not indiginous.
We get howled down for stating the b!eeding obvious.
Sure there are ice users in employment, ( usually younger people ), but based on what I have seen, the vast majority are unemployed people affected by the breakdown in our social systems. Simply put, the employed people with ice addictions often dont stay employed for very long due to their erratic behavior when affected by the drug.
I had the "pleasure" to sit in a magistrates court for several hours last week watching a constant parade of human misery pass through the system. Other than one middle aged drink driver, EVERY SINGLE PERSON was unemployed and at least 50% had a history of amphetamine use.
Drug use is rampant in society and we cant have any hope of addressing the problem if we kid ourselves about the root causes that drive people to drug use, just to appease the latte drinking, out of touch PC brigade who are closseted in their armchairs watching Q & A. and writing letters to the editer.