Innocent Until Proven Guilty

[*crikey*mate*]

In your opinion, should this presumption be reversed in Australia?

If not universally, are there some instances where this may be beneficial or desirable?

[retailtherapist_8]

I would say no but would prefer the police to have wider ranging power to detain for longer a suspect of certain crimes.

The only other thing I would add crikey, is that the Parole Boards in this country are in desperate need of an overhaul. The people and the control they have over releasing criminals convicted of violent crime. These are the guilty. My heart goes out to the victims and  families of victims who have to live their lives knowing that the criminal who devastated thier lives is now free to live amongst them. 

[newstart2380]

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@crikey*mate wrote:

In your opinion, should this presumption be reversed in Australia?

If not universally, are there some instances where this may be beneficial or desirable?

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In some instances it is more than obvious the perons/s are guilty but unfortunately our antiquated judicial system has not been revised and until then clearly guilty people will be given the benifit of the doubt.

What makes me angry is that even if the perpitrator/s is caught on camera they are presumed innocent unil proven guilty. The old saying everyone deserves their day in court is ones right.

I have had personal experience with a guilty person who "got off" because of a technicality and a queens council who apologised to me after the case and the magistrate also made it clear that even though he had to make the decision of not guilty because of the evidence he believed the person was responsible.

[isabellerbookseller]

no it should remain as is

[rabbitearbandicoot]

"Innocent Until Proven Guilty"  - what a joke!

This may apply to bank robbers and murderers but it CERTAINLY DOES NOT APPLY  WHEN A VINDICTIVE FEMALE DOG takes out an Intervention Order against you with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE - JUST LIES. You are GUILTY from the moment you are served - until you prove your innocence - and then you are guilty anyway. eg When you are served, you lose any right to own a gun and YOU NEVER GET IT BACK.

But ... I may have mentioned this before.

How are you? Still ripping people off?

[*crikey*mate*]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

 

How are you? Still ripping people off?

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ummm, if you are referring to me, would you care to expand on this?

[cherry*135]

I don't see any reason why it should be revoked/reversed in Australia.

There would be no need for judges/barristers/court cases would there if every person charged by the police was presumed to be guilty?  Maybe a judge, the guilty one could go to court and the judge would tell them what their sentence is.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@crikey*mate wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

 

How are you? Still ripping people off?

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ummm, if you are referring to me, would you care to expand on this?

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sorry, I am not referring to you - the way it comes out as responding to a certain poster instead of just to the thread is very misleading.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@crikey*mate wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

 

How are you? Still ripping people off?

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ummm, if you are referring to me, would you care to expand on this?

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sorry, I am not referring to you - the way it comes out as responding to a certain poster instead of just to the thread is very misleading.

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WOW

*phew*

Thank you for clearing that up.

I'm sorry that you seemed to have got the rough end of that stick, eh?

Would it be rude of me to ask how the OH is doing?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

Would it be rude of me to ask how the OH is doing?

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No, certainly not, and thank you for asking. She is still in hospital - in Repatriation - learning how to walk again, getting in and out of bed, transferring from bed to wheel-chair etc etc. It's a slow old process but she is getting there. She has started to worry about grooming, haircuts, jewellery etc so that is a good indication and she is also looking much better - cooler in her cheeks. They are talking about sending her home for a day, for a trial run. They are also working on her speech ??? WHy, I don't know - so she tear strips off me more eloquently - lol.