Silent war

Wow, just... wow.

I saw this news online.

 

‘Silent civil war’: Irish teacher jailed for refusing to call boy a girl (msn.com)

 

This teacher has not only lost his job but is jailed indefinitely for failing to comply and call a boy a girl. Or use the term 'they'.

I particularly dislike the term 'they' for one person as the term is plural. The word 'it' would be more appropriate, in fact, or if someone is really uncomfortable, just call the child by name.

 

But the part that resonates with me is further down in the report, where it says that we are at the stage of compelling people to say things they don't believe in.

 

I'm not arguing the rights or wrongs of someone 'transitioning'.

Just saying we should allow people their personal beliefs. Calling the child by name or 'him' is not a crime worth jailing anyone for, it is a travesty of justice.

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@kermit2023 wrote:


So I have to wonder… at what point don’t we have the right to stand by our beliefs, our moral standings on what we hold deep belief in?

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Very good points there kermit2023. I've just shortened your post to reply to a couple of points you made. We have that right but it's taken away from us when there's something that's now out of control.

 

There are a lot of non-Abrahamic (Christian, Muslim, Jewish) faiths; who hold strong the traditional idea of what a boy and girl are. There are a lot of agnostic and atheist people too who believe a boy should be a boy and a girl should be a girl as well. Should that now be destroyed.

 



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@kermit2023 wrote:
One teenager has been the integral cog in the wheel that started it spinning and this wheel has spun way way way out of control! It’s utter madness. 

If you want to be a boy, then be a boy.

If you want to be a girl, then be a girl.….but don’t demand the world accepts you! 

It’s utter madness. 

 

 

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I hear what you say. IMO, respecting a person is good. But having to call someone something because of a new trend and then face jail if you don't is madness!

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I will always respect and be kind to someone no matter who they think they are.

 

But I thinbk the teacher was kind of brave.

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Well - obviously the institution - ie. A Christian School - didn't - they sacked him.

 

Next ??

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No one (including this teacher ) faces jail because of a new trend.

 

Contempt of court is a different matter... which you don't seem to accept.

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From research: 


Enoch Burke has undergraduate degrees in History and Theology, a MA in Education, written a book titled The Hedonism and Homosexuality of John Piper and Sam Allberry, which criticised the teachings of the American theologians.

 

Enoch had been a teacher at Wilson’s Hospital School for 10yrs before losing his job in January 2023.

He was raised by deeply religious parents in Ireland.

Before his issue with the school arose, the family had protested against Covid lockdown restrictions, same-sex marriage and abortion rights.

 

Enoch Burke told the head teacher Niamh McShane and deputy head teacher John Galligan that he was ‘opposed to trangenderism’ as a result of his religion.

In January 2023, he was officially dismissed from his role at the school for intimidating and harassing a colleague and breaching the confidence of the child who was in the process of transitioning.

 

 

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My 2 cents.

This has nothing to do with racism, so we don’t need to keep bringing it up.

….but everything to do with gender and one man’s moral and ethical values and his right to stand by them. And because he refuses to go against his own values, he was put on paid leave by the school, to which he refused and continued to attend his employment. Then the school had him charged, consequently sacked, sued and now he sits in prison all because he stood up for himself and his religious based beliefs. Oh, and he refused to call a boy, a girl! And that’s the crux of it! 
Yet, I have to assume the same court would have made him swear on the bible, no doubt! How ironic! 

 


So I have to wonder… at what point don’t we have the right to stand by our beliefs, our moral standings on what we hold deep belief in? Is one’s  faith or religion not a valid reason? 
Where do we draw the line and why isn’t that line  the same for everyone in every single profession? 
At what point does ‘going to far’ actually become ‘to far’? 
This teacher is a practicing Christian. Being employed for 10yrs at the same school, surely that has to account for something. (apparently not!)
I haven’t been able to find any info regarding previous conflicts with his during those 10yrs at that school, so I take from that there hasn’t been any. 
One teenager has been the integral cog in the wheel that started it spinning and this wheel has spun way way way out of control! It’s utter madness. 

If you want to be a boy, then be a boy.

If you want to be a girl, then be a girl.….but don’t demand the world accepts you! 

It’s utter madness. 

 


My own view (as a retired teacher) is a teacher should stick to the curriculum and not bring his or her own values into it, as far as possible.

It sounds as if this man was quite learned and probably a competent teacher if he had been teaching there for 10 years without a problem.

But it also sounds as if he was a deeply conservative, deeply religious person.

 

 

It is not on to harass colleagues, but it would be interesting to know what the issue was as I suspect it was all the same issue.

It is certainly not on to harass students either although i have to admit I yelled at a few in my time (not over this sort of issue obviously).

Had I been in charge at that school though, I would not have put this man anywhere near the transgender child. 

 

I don't support his actions in returning to the school after being put on paid leave but I do think it is a shame that the whole issue had to get to the stage a (probably competent in most ways) person was basically fired from his job.

 

As for transgender people, I have always maintained that nature makes mistakes. That won't be a popular view. But there is a rising movement, for example,  by some deaf groups to claim that being deaf is not a disability. Sorry, but it is. I think people sometimes equate tolerance with accepting that everything is normal or that there is no normal.

Being transgender is outside the norm. Doesn't make the person 'wrong', just different. 

I would have put this child with more understanding teachers.

But it is a shame the whole issue had to escalate to this extent. I think it could probably have been dealt with at school level.

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@springyzone wrote:

I think it could probably have been dealt with at school level.

I agree. There never would have been any contempt of court if the matter had never gone to court and the man wouldn't be in prison.  It took a whole chain of events to get him there.

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It could be said - it was dealt with at school level - we don''t know to what degree - but -  he was fired.

 

The school obviously felt it's best interests were not being served by retaining this teacher.

 

He then seems to have made his own bed - by not compying with his employer's decision.

 

It's not a matter of how good a teacher he is/was.

 

 

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 No forgiveness or milder solutions in this cold, cruel world.

 

 It's off to prison with him.

 

And good riddance!

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@bidicus*maximus wrote:

 No forgiveness or milder solutions in this cold, cruel world.

 

 It's off to prison with him.

 

And good riddance!


That does bring up another aspect of the whole thing.

Is prison the best or most suitable punishment for all crimes?

 

 

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@repentatleisure1952 wrote:

No one (including this teacher ) faces jail because of a new trend.

 

Contempt of court is a different matter... which you don't seem to accept.


The justice system in the US is a joke.  People of colour and poor of other races are jailed for offences that wouldn't warrent such action eleswhere.

 

People who come up against big corporations have their  lives destroyed and often by the justice system.

It happens in the UK as well.

 

 

 



The parents raising their children without gender

 

As 2022 comes to a close, we're bringing back our favourite pieces of the year. See the rest of our Best of Worklife 2022 collection for more great reads.

As Gabriella Martenson prepared for the birth of her first child, she came to a decision. She wouldn’t tell her child if they’d been born a girl or a boy, and would largely avoid discussing their birth sex with people outside her family and friendship group.

“I wanted them to be who they want to be. I don't want to decide that for them,” says Martenson, who was 30 and living in her home city, Stockholm, when she had her first child. “[It’s] just as I don't want to decide what they grow up to do, or who they decide to love or live with.”

As a child herself, Martenson had mostly been raised within stereotypical gender norms, such as being given pink belongings and dresses to wear. But in her late teens, she says she “discovered feminism” and began questioning gender norms. So, when she became a mother, she chose to buy her own child a wide range of clothes and gifts, ranging from trains to dolls, giving them free choice as to which they wanted to use on any given day.


https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220929-the-parents-raising-their-children-without-gender

 

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A top psychotherapist has warned parents they are risking their children's wellbeing by raising them as gender neutral 'theybies'.

 

A new 60 Minutes segment looked at Australian parents who are refusing to treat their kids as boys or girls and referring to them as 'they'.

Instead, parents are letting their children pick their own pronouns and gender when they get older.

However, British psychotherapist Mark Vahrmeyer, who works with children and parents on gender issues, has warned that raising kids without a gender could be setting them up for a difficult time at school and in society.

'By raising a child perhaps in this way, where they're not assigned a gender at all, they are different,' he said. 'By definition, they are standing out no matter how we look at it.

'It does create that sense of difference and it is ultimately still an experiment.'
Aussie parents Amy and Danny revealed how they didn't tell anyone Bertie's gender because they didn't want their child to be stereotyped (pictured together)

Aussie parents Amy and Danny revealed how they didn't tell anyone Bertie's gender because they didn't want their child to be stereotyped (pictured together)

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11930033/Theybies-trend-Chilling-warning-parents-raising-ki...

 

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'Children being used by adults' to carry gender neutral agenda
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGkapmxQ8f4

 


Some further related reading


The gender-neutral fashion movement is failing little boys who want to wear skirts
Freya Bennett

A societal double standard is emerging where girls in traditionally ‘boys’ clothing are accepted while boys opting for pink frills are labelled ‘weird’


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/17/the-gender-neutral-fashion-movement-is-failing...

 

 


David Buckingham once said with the emo cult there is a  "blurring of gender boundaries"

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