The Jacksons

[freakiness]

The grandkids ought to sue them for screwing their son over all his life.

These people want to blame everyone and sue everyone else.

The guy was a result of his upbringing.

[kengillard]

think it's a combination of nature and nurture (or lack of it):-(

[freakiness]

think it's a combination of nature and nurture (or lack of it):-(

I think you are right.

[lakeland27]

treating children as earners or commodities often doesn't end well.

[polksaladallie]

Is that a yes to both comments? If so, you honestly believe those who break the law and commit the most awful of crimes are a result of their upbringing?

In the main ( and I don't know the statistics), the answer is yes.  There is a small percentage of criminals who have been born with severe defects, but the rest are products of their environment.

Jackson was 100 % the result of his upbringing, IMO.

[twinkles**stars]

In the main ( and I don't know the statistics), the answer is yes.  There is a small percentage of criminals who have been born with severe defects, but the rest are products of their environment.

Jackson was 100 % the result of his upbringing, IMO.

Upbringing and environment are / can be miles apart. I'd be interested to see some formal document re your statement.

eg. Family of 8 children, 4 boys and 4 girls aged bewteen 2 - 18. All but 1 boy ( 3rd eldest) became nice well adjusted young adults. All had the same upbringing, schooling and home life. The 'black sheep' chose to break the law, become involved in drugs and bikie gangs. Not at all the result of his upbringing.

[izabsmiling]

Yes.

I'm sure that those who had the best of parents may be able to find something they did that wasn't right?

It doesn't mean that we can do the wrong things as adults and say it was our parents fault.

[izabsmiling]

that would give adults zero accountability 

[izabsmiling]

How were his Parents raised ?

Did they have a good upbringing?

or

could they blame their parents ? 

[polksaladallie]

Upbringing and environment are / can be miles apart. I'd be interested to see some formal document re your statement.

eg. Family of 8 children, 4 boys and 4 girls aged bewteen 2 - 18. All but 1 boy ( 3rd eldest) became nice well adjusted young adults. All had the same upbringing, schooling and home life. The 'black sheep' chose to break the law, become involved in drugs and bikie gangs. Not at all the result of his upbringing.

I'm not going to argue about my statements, you will have to ask the psychiatrists who come to these conclusions.

But in your family example, all I will add is that chlidren in a family cannot have "the same upbringing, schooling and home life", simply because they are different ages and are born at different times, have different people and siblings to interact with etc. etc.

[twinkles**stars]

Argue? I thought this to be a discussion:|