The Revolution Will Not Be Pasteurized

[softail-joanie]

Raw milk freedom riders- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT4CRNFaNHk

Why not to pasturize- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzx2dY6mW5A

In 1987 the FDA banned interstate shipping of raw milk and today it's retail sale is only legal in dozen or so states. There's a very devoted group who believe that pasteurized milk is "dead milk" and are fighting to make it easier to buy. Raw milk has such a following that people form secret clubs or buy portions of a cow in order to circumvent state laws regulating its sale.

In March of 2010, Idaho made things just a bit easier for producers of raw milk. A small-herd exemption was passed that allowed farmers with 7 or fewer goats or sheep and 3 or fewer cows to produce raw milk or raw milk products for human consumption.

[***super_nova***]

Oh, dear.  You take real problems, then twist them into disaster.  Or just twist them, or even better create problems where there are none.

Aspartame is not very good for you, just as are number of other things we eat.  There are toxins in everything in nature too.  Plants release toxins to protect themselves from predators.  We all know that potatoes when turn green and/or sprout contain alkaloid solanine.  Pips in apples and kernels in peaches, apricots etc.  contain cyanide-containing molecule.  If eaten enough can kill you.

I am sick of totally spoiled selfcentred selfish people who demand 'freedom and choice" for themselves, but in process trample freedom of everybody around them.  Most people by the age of about 4 start realising that they are not the centre of the universe, that they are part of society an that mean give and take, and safety of the whole society takes precedence over uneducated whims of few. 

Our lives are easy, when compared to out ancestors, we have medical care unimaginable 100 years ago, what now is a minor infection used to be life threatening, we get our food delivered practically to our doorstep, and can get anything the whole year around.  But everything has its price.  Yes, I do not like what is Monsanto doing, but sadly without some chemicals we would not be able to feed ourselves.  I think we should regulate such companies, but hey that would be against your principles of freedom and choice, wouldn't it?   We have the choice to go back to small farming, which is inefficient and therefore costly, or accept the price.

[***super_nova***]

Aspartame

some facts

[lyne-flyn]

No one is saying that anyone cannot eat or drink anything they like...you want to get sick from drinking raw milk that has not been as stringently tested as milk for human consumption then go right ahead.

I know I said previously thatmy family drank raw milk when we were dairying BUT..this milk was collected daily from the milk vat that kept the milk at 4c...was refrigerated immediately and any that wasn't used that day was fed to the dogs.

Our cows had regular health checks and any cow that appeared ill was not milked into the vat but milked after the others and the milk fed to the dogs and pigs.

If you are so set on being able to drink raw milk...buy a cow.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@softail-joanie wrote:

So are you suggesting that my family should wear a mask on a train to save us from infectious diseases just because some uneducated twit decides that they should have their free choice of consuming a product that is known to be a global epidemiological disaster?

What I am saying, and will keep saying is that we shouldn't tell people what they are allowed or not allowed to eat because some germaphoab is worried about catching something from them. Raw milk comes naturally from a cow, if the cow is healthy, and the milk is reasonablly clean, no worries, are you afraid to be around cows also?, because they have raw milk within them?

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I'm not sure if you are being purposely obtuse or if there is something else going in your mind because your arguments are birdbrained.

Drinking milk DIRECT from a cow is fine. As long as it is a healthy cow and hygienic measures are taken. This has already been pointed out to you on this thread. But I will point it out again - reread the line before this one and take note.

The PROBLEM is when some nutjob decides that they can buy this fresh milk that has been collected (usually from a small unregulated farm), transported, transfered from mass container to attractive bottles, sit on a shelf during summer in an open refridegerator, plonked onto a shopping trolley to transport home in a hot car and then that person makes the idiotic decision that this milk is natural so therefore good for them because it hasn't gone through the (natural) process of pasteurisation.

That person (and that person sounds like it might be you) becomes ill with illnesses not seen since the time before a nobel prize winner made one of mankinds most amazing and lifesaving medical discoveries because of their own stupidity and spreads diseases that can KILL those around  them.

That's not giving that person freedom of choice. Thats giving that person freedom to allow harm and death to occurr to other INNOCENT people.

Often on these boards I hear the stupidist arguments but seriously this argument is up there with the 'best'.

[aps1080]

I need.

A very good 2nd and 3rd paragraphs - spot on with the description of how it is likely to occur.


May i add that sid nutjob is also likely to be against immunisation, thereby removing a few chins in the amour of defence and the herd effect

[***super_nova***]

And add to it the simple fact that there is nothing natural about adults drinking milk, and especially milk of another species.  Mothers produce milk to feed their infants.  So what ever small changes happen to milk by pasteurization do not make it any less of more natural for us to drink.  As I said before, I used to drink our milk when I kept my goats, and I also drank fresh cows milk when visiting my relatives farm, and there is really no difference to taste. 

I think that people who have nothing better to worry about than such things as wanting to drink unpasteurised milk, should be sent to Africa or elsewhere where people have to walk 5km every day to fetch water.  There they could also drink milk straight from the udder.

[softail-joanie]

Funny, I don't seem to recall saying that anyone or myself, should collect raw milk, keep it out in the sun for days, and then drink it when it's far past being fresh. I wouldn't venture to do that with Pasturized store milk, wit by the way contains aspertime (Monsanto got a court rulling saying they don't have to label that paticular ingredient)

So I'm left with the asumption by more than one person that this subject is not "topic worthy" Sorry i posted it and forced you to click onto and read it at gunpoint.

One thing i don't quiet understand though, If people are so worried about catching desease from those drinking it, why would they feed it to their dog/s and risk getting a desease from them? Just seems odd is all, but what do i know, I want to kill myself with bad milk and rotten eggs.

BTW- For more than a year, I have been fetching water from the other side of a hill however far that is, 2 gallons per trip wit is what it takes to flush.

You convienced me, nothing but pasturized 2% milk for me, and diet Coke with lots of aspertime, MSGs, lithium and flouride. I'm alergic to smoking, but it's so healthy and good for me, may as well take up that habit as well. Is it too late in life to start drinking too? I'll mix it with the diet milk, should be good. lol

[i-need-a-martini]

I'd respond but that last post was not even intelligible.

[aps1080]

Joanie

Feeding it to dogs is unlikely to catch it. Only some deseases cross species.
Your throwing this in the mix is a red herring.

Nothing wrong with pasteurization, why risk drinking raw milk when no real need.

A lot of us have done it, and will probably do it again, doesnt mean its right for the whole population
Especially as a complete second storage and packaging network would need building because i doubt
Food standards would allow cross transportation.

[***super_nova***]

Dogs are scavengers, their digestive system can handle pathogens that humans cannot, or at least they can handle higher levels of contamination before they get sick.