Wind Farm Fail

[catsnknots]

So during the heatwave down south when electricity demand was at it's peak wind farms  produced almost zero power. 

That is why renewable energy is not a good idea for the long term security of our energy supplies. 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/wind-fails-test-as-demand-soars/stor...

[freakiness]

The winds farms are not the only form of renewable energy.  Solar is able to produce and supply more power.

However, the wind farms make a huge difference in keeping the supply of power reliable in this area. We used to have blackouts and brownouts regularly before the wind farm went online. I think we've had one black out in the 5 or so years since.

[i-need-a-martini]

But what about their stored energy?

It's a bit like saying solar energy doesn't work because it's cloudy today.

[catsnknots]

I have not said that renewable is bad... I just said that renewable is not reliable. 

[poddster]

Martinus, question, How are you going to store mass energy?

Any ideas?

[pct001wine]

Long term security of power supplies relies on a raft of different and complementary solutions.  I can't see where anyone is advocating a single source model of renewable energy.

Any alternate response to old-school brown coal power generators has to be a step in the right direction ... doesn't it ?   Even if per kWh it is more "expensive" ?   There are so many options - hot rocks, wind, solar, tidal, many in their developmental infancy but at least not fossil fuel-based.

And Fukushima ?   No thanks.

[pct001wine]

I did notice that during the heatwave in SA last week that the output from the solar array here at work was significantly down compared to a more "usual" sunny day - well you learn something new every day.

[nero_bolt]

Green power was useless in this heatwave. Praise coal - and the “gold-plating” Gillard attacked

The worst heat often occurs when there is not a breath of wind, which is a problem if you rely on wind power for your airconditioning to survive a heat wave:

WHEN electricity demand peaked at the height of this week’s heatwave in southern Australia, the tota.....

Figures supplied by the Australian Energy Market Operator show that between 11.30am and 4pm on Wednesday, as demand hit a daily peak of 33029 megawatts nationally, wind’s share of supply fell as low as 0.3 per cent. When the electricity price peaked at $6213 in South Australian on Wednesday in the half-hour to 4pm, wind was contributing 0.7 per cent to total demand.

And solar power remains more a green gesture than a major source of energy:

More than $2 billion of subsidised investment in over 2 million rooftop solar systems contributed less than 5 per cent of peak power demand in ­Victoria and South Australia during the worst of this week’s heatwave.

This goes straight to the madness of Labor’s crusade against cheap coal-fired power and of the Renewable Energy Target that is still backed by the Abbott Government. Why are we taxing cheap, reliable power and giving handouts to expensive, unreliable power that can’t even power airconditioning in a heatwave?

But this week exposed another fraud of the Left. Julia Gillard as Prime Minister tried to deflect anger at her carbon tax by attacking utilities for their high spending on making our power system able to cope with days of highest demand - typically days like the ones we have just had:

Ms. Gillard pointed her finger at the “gold-plating” of electricity infrastructure being a major dri... and green initiatives such as supporting the uptake of solar panel systems:

“These energy price rises are well above the cost of the introduction of the carbon price and taking action on climate change. 9c of every dollar in an electricity bill is for the carbon price - and that’s fully compensated - while 51c is for the poles and wires.”

The Prime Minister also pointed out a quarter of all retail electricity costs is spent to meet the costs of peak events that last for a few days a year.

“One sixth of our national electricity networks - $11 billion in infrastructure - caters for peak events that last for barely four days per year.

I thought it astonishing that so many journalists fell for this red herring. Ask yourself: do you begrudge that investment now? Or would you have been happy for the power in Melbourne and Adelaide to have failed this week, at the cost of who knows how many lives of the elderly and frail? 

 http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/green_power_was...

[silverfaun]

In Germany they are looking to not close all their nuclear power stations  & going back to coal big time.. The wind turbines are laying broken & rusting all over Deutchland mein herren und herr.

Wind power?......fail, check.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@poddster wrote:

Martinus, question, How are you going to store mass energy?

Any ideas?

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I think you will find that commercial wind farms store compressed air that are used to generate electricity. How did you think they worked??