Workchoices

[catsnknots]

Did Labor have a mandate to get rid of Workchoices after they won the election from John Howard? 

If so why? 

[i-need-a-martini]

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@catmad*2013 wrote:

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@lakeland27 wrote:

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@catmad*2013 wrote:

People will always have a difference of opinion with this subject.... it will totally depend on if you had a positive experience or not... 

but back to the OP... did Labor have a mandate to make those changes on behalf of the people because they won that election? 

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why do you ask ?

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Because I want to know what people think. 

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What mandate? It was an election PROMISE carried through. An election policy that they were very clear about when they were elected.

What are you getting at? What are you trying to say? 

[lakeland27]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@catmad*2013 wrote:

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@lakeland27 wrote:

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@catmad*2013 wrote:

People will always have a difference of opinion with this subject.... it will totally depend on if you had a positive experience or not... 

but back to the OP... did Labor have a mandate to make those changes on behalf of the people because they won that election? 

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why do you ask ?

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Because I want to know what people think. 

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What mandate? It was an election PROMISE carried through. An election policy that they were very clear about when they were elected.

What are you getting at? What are you trying to say? 

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''if labor had a mandate for this, doesn't the govt have a mandate on the bleep ''

no mandate. such a thing no longer exists .

[i-need-a-martini]

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@catmad*2013 wrote:

hm.. I feel for people that had to do that and can't handle it.. sorry that happened... 

I have never had a problem... I always managed to get on very well with bosses and got good agreements or left... 

I feel that people should be able to bargain themselves though...why should only Unions be able to do that? 

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Now I am even more confused - anyone can enter any agreement with their employer so long as it covers the minimum award entitlements. You don't need a union person to be your baragaining rep - you could take your lawyer or whoever you think will get you the best representation.

I think you are giving the unions too much credit for individual agreements.

I should also point out that enterprise agreement processes were in place before WorkChoice came into being. The difference being that WorkChoices gave all the power to the employer at your expense. This n longer the case.

[catsnknots]

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@not_an_eloi wrote:

may be the reason for the o.p.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-22/serious-concerns-raised-about-contracts-imposed-on-doctors/503...

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yer.. coz I'm a Doctor... 

[fourandsixpants]

'WorkChoices'.....just the word gives me the 'shivers'....*BBbbbrrrr-aAH!

Workchoices was E-vil.

One of the few occasions where 'People Power' won the day-Johnnie Howard/Libs lost the election because Kevin'07 promised to ditch WorkChoices.

ref. post #33.from topsidesoul: last para. "...The workplace ombudsman's office regularly brings employers to court for unpaid wages.

Just waiting till this free and helpful service gets canned"....

I would be wary of this office and its 'services'. They are not the best experts .....the wait time is many, many, many months before they will process and even prosecute. If the amount of wages/pay that you are owed is under $20,000 there is a Tribunal that you can appeal to, without requiring a legal beagle/legal representation. Pretty sure at negligible cost if not nil cost. The ceiling was only $10,000 until  Senator Chris Evans (WA) stepped up to this and he got this legislatively changed/upped from $10K to $20,000.....

ref.2 posts - 1st being, post#35.from catmad: last sentence. "...I feel that people should be able to bargain themselves though.......why should only unions be able to do that?"

and 2nd being, post#43. from i-need-a-martini: "....You don't need a union person to be your bargaining rep you could take a lawyer or whoever you think will get you the best representation....."

If you are seeking unpaid wages of more than $20,000? My advice.....don't go anywhere near a lawyer or a solicitor unless you have no other alternative - instead, find the best Industrial/workplace relations LEGAL ADVOCATE-seek the opinions of at least 2 and go with your preferred. They are genuine experts in this area, and are much, much more affordable.

......and seek same, a legal advocate whose specialty is in industrial and workplace relations if you require representation/advice on negotiating/bargaining your workplace conditions and/or wages/salary.

------------------------------------------------------------- if I told you my story you wouldna believe me:)

[acacia_pycnantha]

Or . . . you could join a Union.

[fourandsixpants]

I tried really hard to join a union actually!!..... but there was not one that would cover the line of work that I was in at the time. Not one. I even called other States and even the Big Boy union HQ's etc.....not a sausage.

[topsidesoul]

A union will not help you if there are no other members at your workplace.

Plus they are bullies with tall their wall punching and the like.

[freakiness]

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@topsidesoul wrote:

A union will not help you if there are no other members at your workplace.

Plus they are bullies with tall their wall punching and the like.

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They are changing. As people vote out the old and vote in the new they evolve and change.

[lakeland27]

 i took that as someone punching a wall next to barbara r 's head over a defeat in a student election.