on 12-10-2014 09:35 PM
Hello Fellow ebayer's, could some kind person explain to me in simple layman terms, the answer to my question, please. I have been a small Hobby Seller here on ebay since March 2009. Most of the time l am a "Dabbler Buyer & Seller", in saying that, a majority of my items l have Sold are in the hundred plus $'s per item.
How are the New ebay Rules re: Refund and returning payment for Postage going to affect me ?
If l Sell you a porcelain China Horse Figurine, it is packed 110% okay, arrives to you okay, you acknowledge that, then next week your grandchild brakes a leg off it, how is that my responsibility ???? Yet you have demanded "your" money back from me. Where do l stand now with ebay/paypal, under the new rules from the 1st Novermber 2014 ?? thank you.
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on 13-10-2014 10:05 PM
At this point in time, eBay's Money Back Guarantee is applicable for up to 30 days after the last ETA date in the listing, so a buyer won't be able to make a claim via eBay months after the sale. (eg if a listing states the estimated date of arrival is between October 15-18, then the claim period would be 30 days starting from the 19th).
There is some talk about PayPal's extension to 180 days (from 45), but this is currently available only to buyers in the UK, and will be available to buyers in the US after mid-November. If you sell to a US or UK buyer, then yes, they will be able to open a dispute via PayPal (not eBay) for up to 180 days.
I do not know if PayPal will extend the claim period to 180 days in Australia, but I presume they intend to at some point.
on 14-10-2014 02:25 AM
Firstly, as a "hobby" or private seller, under Australian Consumer Law you're not required to offer a refund policy, regardless of what eBay may say, although naturally, if an item was damaged in transit you would feel obliged to reimburse the buyer for his or her loss, and I don't have a problem with that at all as I'd do the same thing myself. However, if somebody accidentally damages the item after it has been safely delivered, it would be wrong of them to expect you to be responsible for their loss and I would flatly refuse to do so.
The problem is determining when said damage took place, and as your items are valued at a hundred dollars or more, I'd assume that you're posting them registered or with signature on delivery, in which case if the item is damaged during transit, the buyer would lodge a claim immediately, the very same day they signed for the delivery. Therefore, if you receive a claim for damage which is dated any later than that upon which it was delivered, it would be fairly safe to assume that any damage has been caused by themselves and that they're making a false claim which, as a private seller, you would be fully entitled to reject.
You would clearly have a fight on your hands with eBay but if you can prove to Paypal that the item was intact when it was delivered, they're not in a position to accept the buyer's claim because they can only arbitrate on INR or SNAD disputes, and nothing else. I'm expecting that it will take a test case in by one of the Consumer Tribunals or the ACCC before it can be determined that eBay have no legal right to impose these draconian and illegal conditions upon private sellers, but I nevertheless believe that in the fullness of time, eBay will be forced to revoke or alter these conditions so that they ultimately fall into line with Australian Consumer law.
on 14-10-2014 10:24 AM
@digital*ghost wrote:
I do not know if PayPal will extend the claim period to 180 days in Australia, but I presume they intend to at some point.
Well, I guess I missed the memo... Just to correct myself here, PayPal are providing 180 days to claim effective November 18. (Except for purchases made via Gumtree - no buyer protection there).
on 14-10-2014 10:40 AM
2 words.. ONLINE THEFT
Everything ebay seem to be doing is catering to the dishonest (crooks) who want to get goods for free
theres no other explanation
on 15-10-2014 08:52 PM
Very well put cq_tech, l think you have hit the hammer on the head. Why dont' we use the Old Aussie Honour System ?????
Just give the "Buyer" our Bank details, and let them Deposit an amout of money ($$$'s) that they feel like paying for the said item delivered to their Door. End of problem, ...just give Ebay/PayPal what is left. !!!!
In the USA they have what is called a W2 Form, (same as our Yearly Tax Form), Only has two questions on it.
Your Name & Address: Bert Simpson, 1143 Snow Street, Washington D.C. 21114
How much Money (Income) did you earn Last Tax Year ? $49, 538
Total Amount is: $49. 538
SEND IT IN TO: INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE
P.O. BOX 1600
WASHINGTON D.C. 20000
& You all thought things were bad here !!!!!! You ain't seen nuffing till EBAY/PAYPAL have finished sing !!!!!!!