Meep, those links don't work. But from what I can see the report given to the EU as part of a think tank on alcohol was rejected based on lack of evidence. I should also point out that Aric Sigman (the author of the report) is a bit of a quack who makes things up to reflect his 'family values' agenda. For example, he has published a much lambasted 'study' on how childcare damages development  and the furture health of children.

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Meep, those links don't work. But from what I can see the report given to the EU as part of a think tank on alcohol was rejected based on lack of evidence. I should also point out that Aric Sigman (the author of the report) is a bit of a quack who makes things up to reflect his 'family values' agenda. For example, he has published a much lambasted 'study' on how childcare damages development  and the furture health of children.

 

 

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Aren't your beliefs on this topic based on your " family values" agenda?

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

Meep, those links don't work. But from what I can see the report given to the EU as part of a think tank on alcohol was rejected based on lack of evidence. I should also point out that Aric Sigman (the author of the report) is a bit of a quack who makes things up to reflect his 'family values' agenda. For example, he has published a much lambasted 'study' on how childcare damages development  and the furture health of children.

 

 

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Aren't your beliefs on this topic based on your " family values" agenda?

 

 

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No they are based on my opinion and my experience.

This guys 'values' are a little extreme.

Either way - I am always happy to read links or studies that are in opposition of my opinion. It's just that in this case, the study was not acceptable to prove a point. I am sure that others can be founbd so be my guest. 

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@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:

Serve a child water......or milk......that's more age appropriate.

 

Saying it's apart of your culture, is another cop out, nor does it make it okay.

 

There are many cultural practices around the world that are being abandoned....because when people know better they change.

 

 

 

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I also grew up in an environment with the belief that giving small amounts of alcohol to children was harmless, in fact, that it was beneficial.  My cousins were allowed to drink small amounts of beer.  We now know better.  

 

This is a good article providing links to studies and citing WHO.  One thing I hadn't considered is the possibility of greater risks of breast cancer.  http://www.medicaldaily.com/eu-report-warns-parents-against-giving-children-alcohol-245580  Children are often not old enough to make educated choices.  Its the parents' responsibility.

 

 

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The link worked for me meep....here's an excert -

:..In most European cultures, there persists the belief that controlled portioning of alcohol for children inculcates a more refined,

temperate drinking culture, something more akin to the wine-drinking Mediterranean and less to the draft-pounding Northerners.

However, a new study commissioned by the EU shows that even small quantities of alcohol can lead to long-term health

problems with the development of alcoholism and, in girls, possibly greater risks of infertility and breast cancer.

 The researcher noted a U.S. government-funded study that found a "far greater" risk of alcohol dependency among those who

had their first drink before the age of 18. Further, the World Health Organization (WHO) says, "The longer the onset of

consumption is delayed, the less likely it is that alcohol-related problems and alcohol dependence will emerge in adult life."

So who doesn't Martini believe in this article...the US government, EU or the World Health Organization?

Drink Wise - 

Parents who drink alcohol
and have more lenient
attitudes towards alcohol are more
likely to have adolescents who consume
alcohol at risky and high risk levels.
Try not to make every family gathering or
celebration focus around alcohol. Make
a point of having alcohol-free events to
demonstrate to your children that you
can enjoy yourself without alcohol.".

.http://drinkwisewebsite.s3.amazonaws.com/2011/11/Parents-5-point-plan-_DELAY_Drinkwise-Wallet-Card.p...

THE TEENAGE BRAIN AND ALCOHOL –
WHY THEY DON’T MIX

Professor Ian Hickie AM, MD, FRANZCP, FASSA
Executive Director
The Brain and Mind Research Institute
University of Sydney

Once upon a time we thought that the

teenage brain was the same as an adult

brain; that it had already reached full

development. But now the science is telling 

us something very different...

From the age of around 12 or 13 through to the early twenties

the brain is in a state of intense development, moulding

and hardwiring in readiness for the challenges of adulthood.

Through a process called ‘frontalisation’ the brain is growing

and forming all the critical parts it needs for learning, memory,

planning, emotional stability and thinking.

The new science tells us that alcohol disrupts brain development

during this critical phase of growth. Teenagers who drink alcohol

risk their brains not reaching full capacity, which means they

might never reach their full potential as an adult.

Therefore, the best advice is to avoid introducing alcohol to

your teenager for as long as possible. New research shows that

they should not drink until at least the age of 18. Even after

that time it is best to minimise alcohol intake until the brain 

has finished developing around age 23 to 24 years.

Here’s why...

The brain on the left belongs

to a kid who hasn’t started

drinking; the brain on the right

belongs to a kid who started

drinking at age 15.

Source: Dr. Susan F. Tapert, University of California, San Diego
Spot the difference?
From Dr. Susan F. Tapert: “The picture on the left is of a 15
year old healthy non-drinking boy, while he was solving a
memory task. The picture on the right is of a 15 year old boy
who has been drinking five to six drinks, eight days out of every
month for the previous year. Note that the heavy drinker showed
less brain activation while doing the memory task. He also did
not perform quite as well on the task as the non-drinker.”

http://drinkwisewebsite.s3.amazonaws.com/2012/06/SDG-0416-DL-6pp-Kids-and-Alcohol.pdf

To view the images refered to in the article - click on the link..

There is plenty of information out their to educate kids and adults.....

Sorry Martini, not sure why the link doesn't work.  It contained further links to other studies/WHO/others commissioned by the EU.

Drink Wise Australia is also a good source of information.  It contains a section explaining how  early introduction to alcohol is linked to alcohol problems later in life.  It also has a Delay 5 point plan for parents.

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@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:

I forgot to add.....teaching children to drink responsibly, doesn't require either the adult or child to have a drink in their hands.

 

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I'd  hope not, otherwise I would have to exclude my child from PDHPE classes.

 

 

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Well, I see it like this....drug education classes, don't require the students to share a crack pipe with the teacher...because, well, that would be insane!

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It also sends children mixed messages.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/11/17/14/25/labor-wants-tougher-booze-laws

NSW Labor wants to lock people out of Sydney pubs and clubs in the early morning and to restrict the hours licensed premises can serve drinks to help reduce alcohol-fuelled violence.

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@punch*drunk wrote:

 

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/11/17/14/25/labor-wants-tougher-booze-laws

 

NSW Labor wants to lock people out of Sydney pubs and clubs in the early morning and to restrict the hours licensed premises can serve drinks to help reduce alcohol-fuelled violence.

 

The state opposition says it is committed to restrictions in Kings Cross and the Sydney city centre that would stop patrons being admitted to venues after 1am.

It also wants 3am last drinks and bans on high-alcohol content drinks after 10pm.

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