without a doubt Carl

In diplomatic circles things are seldom as they appear.

Spying on friends and others.......nothing new with this......it is part of information gathering.

The current issues may having nothing to do with spying.  But a convenient excuse.

Red herrings are a time honoured tradition to protect those pulling the strings..

Every govt spies on every other govt where and when they can. it's been going on for a very long time.

 

It's just that when a govt discovers the spying and can prove it, they take every opportunity to embarrass the govt caught spying on them.

 

it's false outrage. it's a game of one-upsmanship.

So far no one has said who discovered this dastardly spying so if it has been going on for decades and everyone knew it then why has it been brought to light just now? 

 

The motivation for such an exposure should be put under some close scrutiny.

Perhaps you should visit the ABC site and read the story before commenting, if you don't understand how the story broke.

Then check the comments in the Jakarta post haha.,.especially the Aussie ones

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@poddster wrote:

So far no one has said who discovered this dastardly spying so if it has been going on for decades and everyone knew it then why has it been brought to light just now? 

 

The motivation for such an exposure should be put under some close scrutiny.

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Australian intelligence tried to listen in to Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono's mobile phone, material leaked by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals..(abc)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-18/leaked-documents-reveal-australias-attempts-to-spy-on-in/50993...

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@poddster wrote:

So far no one has said who discovered this dastardly spying so if it has been going on for decades and everyone knew it then why has it been brought to light just now? 

 

The motivation for such an exposure should be put under some close scrutiny.

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Wikileaks revelation.

Nothing more

IMO Australian intelligence would be crazy not to be spying on Indonesia......for many reasons.

Just not be careless enough to get caught.

http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House_of_Representatives_Committees?url=pjci...

 

I defintiely don't think "they all know"

 

Ask any of these parliamentarians from the bipartisan standing committee

 

The IS Act limits the inquiry powers of the Committee by providing that the functions of the Committee do not include:

 

 

• reviewing the intelligence gathering and assessment priorities of ASIO, ASIS, DIGO, DIO, DSD or ONA;
• reviewing the sources of information, other operational assistance or operational methods available to ASIO, ASIS, DIGO, DIO, DSD or ONA;
• reviewing particular operations that have been, are being or are proposed to be undertaken by ASIO, ASIS, DIGO, DIO or DSD;
• reviewing information provided by, or by an agency of, a foreign government where that government does not consent to the disclosure of the information;
• reviewing an aspect of the activities of ASIO, ASIS, DIGO, DIO, DSD or ONA that does not affect an Australian person;
• reviewing the rules made under section 15 of the Act (to protect privacy of Australians);
• conducting inquiries into individual complaints about the activities of ASIO, ASIS, DIGO, DIO, DSD or ONA;
• reviewing the content of, or conclusions reached in, assessments or reports made by DIO or ONA, or reviewing sources of information on which such assessments or reports are based; or
• reviewing the coordination and evaluation activities undertaken by ONA.

 

If any parliamentarion should be privy to ASIO, ASIS, DIGO, DIO, DSD or ONA it should be this BIPARTISAN

 

standing committtee.