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25-01-2014 10:19 PM - edited 25-01-2014 10:20 PM
We are one but we are many
Some Australian were and are bought up either in England and/or in Australia with English traditions.
TGSE is Australian and she was perhaps bought up as you say English ?
My DD was born in Australia and is Australian....her Father (my husband) is English by Birth and citizenship ,her Mother (me) is Australian by birth and citizenship .
My DD is Australian regardless of the traditions we raise her with
Should my OH wish to become an Australian citizen...he will be an Australian too
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on 25-01-2014 10:20 PM
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on 25-01-2014 10:21 PM
Right over your head. Again.
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on 25-01-2014 10:23 PM
Could you please tell me what exactly you consider an Australian to be and do ?
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on 25-01-2014 10:31 PM
Dont wave your flag
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on 25-01-2014 10:35 PM
@azureline** wrote:
Wave your flag
Dont wave your flag
Yes. Do whatever, it's the Australian way.
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on 26-01-2014 12:56 AM
@spotweldersfriend wrote:
Basically it's jingoism and I don't have time for it.
Even that great British Imperialist, Rudyard Kipling, poured scorn on it.
This is an excerpt from his novel, Stalky And Co, where a politician visits Stalky's boarding school to lecture the boys on "Patriotism."
After many, many words, he reached for the cloth-wrapped stick and thrust one hand in his bosom. This — this was the concrete symbol of their land — worthy of all honour and reverence! Let no boy look on this flag who did not purpose to worthily add to its imperishable lustre. He shook it before them — a large calico Union Jack, staring in all three colors, and waited for the thunder of applause that should crown his effort.
They looked in silence. They had certainly seen the thing before — down at the coastguard station, or through a telescope, half-mast high when a brig went ashore on Braunton Sands; above the roof of the Golf-club, and in Keyte’s window, where a certain kind of striped sweetmeat bore it in paper on each box. But the College never displayed it; it was no part of the scheme of their lives; the Head had never alluded to it; their fathers had not declared it unto them. It was a matter shut up, sacred and apart. What, in the name of everything caddish, was he driving at, who waved that horror before their eyes? Happy thought! Perhaps he was drunk.
In the book the MP is referred to ever afterwards by the boys as "The jelly-bellied flag flapper.
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on 26-01-2014 03:57 AM
Yes, this pledge of allegiance is offensive because it is an American pledge. The actual pledge, which is recited at the opening session of Congress and in some schools runs:
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
It does not become an Australian tradition by changing a few words. As an Australian (who has served in the armed forces) I find it an odd concept to pledge allegiance to a flag. It is an American thing. I can understand that some Australians admire the patriotism displayed by certain Americans, and I can understand that some Australians would like to emulate Americans and would like Australia to become more like America. However, I am not one of them and I would prefer Australia to remain Australian.
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on 26-01-2014 07:56 AM
I'd be more impressed if their hands were over their hearts, usually they are lost over the left side of their chest... not their heart ![]()
Beware of propaganda... it's rife at present.

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on 26-01-2014 01:32 PM
Pledging allegiance to flag and/or person was in use long before the USA. It goes back into the dark ages of history.
There were so many small, kings, lords, even churches and all had their own flags.
In the days of knights ect their were even household flags.