@**meep** wrote:

She ele - I don't think there is anything wrong with investigative reporting but that is not what happened.   Icy asked a question whether we needed to broadcast biased news (at the taxpayer's expense)  obviously I don't think we do.

 

 

It basically comes down to this:

 

"The ABC overreached, by essentially endorsing the allegations of navy mistreatment on radio, TV and online throughout the day," Media Watch host Paul Barry said.

"Because even if the (Indonesian) police did back the asylum seekers' claims, there was no way of knowing they were true ... We believe the ABC should have been far more cautious, given the evidence it had, and given it was making such a big call against the navy."

 

 

 

 

 


Icy's point was that only news which shows the govt in a positive light should be broadcast on the Australia Network. 

If that was the point Icy was making, it didn't come across that way to me.

 

 

 

 


@**meep** wrote:

If that was the point Icy was making, it didn't come across that way to me.

 

 

 

 


Sorry, she said biased news against Australia.

 

And No, the ABC is not biased against Abbott or Australia.

Mr Murdoch is calling in his debt.

I wonder by the way,how the lib voters in Shepparton are feeling?

Wait till July when they get control of the senate.Then they'll get real nasty.We told you so.

meep, sorry i didn't add the link in the original post - i think the mods did it, links don't always work for me so (if i remember) i just add where it came from - if that was what the confusion was ?


@poddster wrote:

Communist Party of Australia  ????

 

Who is showing their true colours?


Who are you referring to poddster?


@boris1gary wrote:

meep, sorry i didn't add the link in the original post - i think the mods did it, links don't always work for me so (if i remember) i just add where it came from - if that was what the confusion was ?


The confusion was caused by the name. 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/au  is where I look for news attributed to The Guardian.  

 

 

 


@boris1gary wrote:

froth, maybe you should read the article in op. here is the rest of it

 

below is taken from The Guardian - The Worker's Weekly - issue number 1625 - dated today's date.

 

The ABC’s “crimes”

Use of the Snowden material was entirely justified. The ABC is obliged by its charter to find news and broadcast it. However, the ABC’s obligation to reveal the significance of the news is not acknowledged by Abbott, who stated he wanted the ABC to be a “straight news gathering and news reporting organisation.” That appears to exclude broadcasting open discussion and interpretation of current events.

Abbott added: “You would like the national broadcaster to have a rigorous commitment to truth and at least some basic affection for the home team …” Yet a commitment to the truth must be impartial, and must exclude the prejudice of “affection for the home team”.

Abbott also resents bitterly the ABC’s new fact-checking unit, because it casts a critical eye over concepts and statements used by politicians and the entire media spectrum, not just the ABC.

As the government has pointed out, the work of defence personnel is often very hard and dangerous, and when they do good work it is often under-appreciated. But forcing the Navy to tow asylum seekers back to Indonesia, in violation of the UN Refugee Convention and international law, is certainly not good work.

Moreover, it’s entirely possible that the burns were, in fact, inflicted because of the Navy’s actions.

Last week one asylum seeker said he had been temporarily blinded after being sprayed in the eyes by a Navy officer, and had accidentally grasped a hot engine pipe. Immigration Minister Scott Morrison was forced to admit grudgingly that the Navy does use anti-personnel gas to subdue asylum seekers, but still denied it made anyone grasp the pipes.

But the Navy has not denied it made the male asylum seekers crowd around the hot engine, and it’s likely that those closest to it had to grasp it to steady themselves against the rocking of the boat.

Abbott dismissed with outrage the idea that someone had forced them to do so. But why? Any organisation, military or civilian, can include people who are sadistic. After all, the Navy has recently had to deal with many cases of sexual abuse within its ranks.

Recruits are trained to do things prohibited under civil law, and must be constantly vigilant they don’t cross that line in peacetime. Yet the dividing line between war and peace has become blurred by the government’s demonisation of asylum seekers and its strident militaristic approach.

When the burnt hands story was first broadcast by Channel Seven (not the ABC) Abbott refused to comment, saying he would not give information that would help a war enemy

Woman Indifferent


I have read that, thank you gary.

Still hasn't answered my question.

 

Why is ABC trumpeting about that it's under threat by the Government to be shut down?

 

All I can see is that the tender for the Australian News service is under review!

 

Paranoid much? Or a guilty conscience?


@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Yes, they should have been more cautious.They overreached because, as I said before, they overerestimated the intelligence of the general public.

I don't claim to be superintelliegent, but I did watch that programme and it was obvious to me that it was reporting on allegations and suggesting that they needed to be investigated. 


Actually, I think they gauged the average intelligence of the aus public quite correctly and reported to that level. Counting on the fact that most people would would trust the ABC as a verified source and be horrified at the burnt hands.

 

Whipping up sentiment against the Navy and by implication the governments stance on asylum seeker boat turnbacks.

 

Acting the provocateurs.

 

Not very patriotic is it?

 


@freakiness wrote:

@**meep** wrote:

She ele - I don't think there is anything wrong with investigative reporting but that is not what happened.   Icy asked a question whether we needed to broadcast biased news (at the taxpayer's expense)  obviously I don't think we do.

 

 

It basically comes down to this:

 

"The ABC overreached, by essentially endorsing the allegations of navy mistreatment on radio, TV and online throughout the day," Media Watch host Paul Barry said.

"Because even if the (Indonesian) police did back the asylum seekers' claims, there was no way of knowing they were true ... We believe the ABC should have been far more cautious, given the evidence it had, and given it was making such a big call against the navy."

 

 

 

 

 


Icy's point was that only news which shows the govt in a positive light should be broadcast on the Australia Network. 


Not my point at all, much as you'd like to portray it as that.

My point was the Australian Network serves no discernible purpose and given today's technology where anyone can watch world news through various media, it's superflous.