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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

NOT IN REPLY TO ANY INDIVIDUAL POSTER.

 

Wouldn't it be nice if, just once, we could have an intelligent, informed political debate that didn't sink into rhetoric, histrionics, irrelevant  name-calling and blind ideology.

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Come to think of it, I'm not even sure what we are supposed to be debating here anyway.

Did Bill shorten make an embarraasing political error - yes

Did he compound that error by giving very silly answers when quizzed about it - yes.

Was it a mistake of international or even national significence - no.

Is there anything else of any signficence left to say about it - nothing

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

NOT IN REPLY TO ANY INDIVIDUAL POSTER.

 

Wouldn't it be nice if, just once, we could have an intelligent, informed political debate that didn't sink into rhetoric, histrionics, irrelevant  name-calling and blind ideology.

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Come to think of it, I'm not even sure what we are supposed to be debating here anyway.

 

Did Bill shorten make an embarraasing political error - yes

 

Did he compound that error by giving very silly answers when quizzed about it - yes.

 

Was it a mistake of international or even national significence - no.

 

Is there anything else of any signficence left to say about it - nothing

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His appalling judgement and the political missteps are mounting up.

Bit like Gillard, not up to the job and not up to the integrity and core values needed.

Are any of our front line polies??

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@silverfaun wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

NOT IN REPLY TO ANY INDIVIDUAL POSTER.

 

Wouldn't it be nice if, just once, we could have an intelligent, informed political debate that didn't sink into rhetoric, histrionics, irrelevant  name-calling and blind ideology.

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Come to think of it, I'm not even sure what we are supposed to be debating here anyway.

 

Did Bill shorten make an embarraasing political error - yes

 

Did he compound that error by giving very silly answers when quizzed about it - yes.

 

Was it a mistake of international or even national significence - no.

 

Is there anything else of any signficence left to say about it - nothing

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His appalling judgement and the political missteps are mounting up.

 

Bit like Gillard, not up to the job and not up to the integrity and core values needed.

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