@lind9650 wrote:

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I always said that they all are tarred with the same brush.

 

Erica 😞


I've always said the same, Erica. The Australian voters think they have a choice. They don't.

Yes both the ALP and the LNP and the Greens are all parties that support capitalism but it is a little naive to still think that the ALP and the LNP/Libs are "the same" when it comes to policy. The recent budget proves that there is still a big difference between the two, the current govt wants a new "Australia", small government, low taxes (=less services) and everything and everyone is for sale, private profit first, second and third - people, last.

Labor maintains attack on ‘unfair’ Hockey budget

 

BILL Shorten has accused Joe Hockey of trying to “divide” the country, saying the Treasurer does not know what “fair” means.

The Opposition Leader called a speech by Mr Hockey defending the budget a “remarkable interjection” that showed the government was out of touch with the most vulnerable.

 

“The Abbott government is a small minority determined to divide Australia and Labor will not retreat,” Mr Shorten said at the Australian Council of Social Service conference in Brisbane, at which delegates also condemned the budget as “divisive and unfair”.

“Last night we saw the remarkable interjection by Treasurer Hockey.

 

“He is complaining that people are calling his budget unfair. I’ll tell you what unfair means, Joe Hockey, it means cutting support for the people who can least afford it.”

 

Mr Shorten said the budget was “a disgrace to fairness”.

 

Labor and I reject the cynicism that divides Australia into the so-called lifters — successful businessmen, Coalition ministers, conservative media commentators — and the leaners — the disabled, the disabled pensioners, the people going to the doctor, the fixed-income pensioners and families with children between six and 16 receiving modest payments.”

Mr Shorten drew on budget measures such as the $7 GP co-payment and cuts to the pension as “unfair” policies that would harm the most vulnerable.

 

“Whichever way you crunch these budget numbers, the inescapable, unavoidable, ugly conclusion is that the people who do the heavy lifting in this budget are those least in the position to do so,” he said.

 

“(The government) has increased taxes, it has knighted people, but … Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey cannot answer the question of whether they housed the homeless.

 

They cannot answer the question: “have they protected the vulnerable?”

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/labor-maintains-attack-on-unfair-hockey-budg...

icyfroth, so if they are the same as "you have always said" why the constant criticism for only the ALP or is this something new. I also see on the CEC site that they declare hockey to be  "Goose-stepping" ...both headlines below are from the CEC site so I am just wondering is it only the position on banks that you agree with or some of their other positions?

 

Goose-stepping, fist-pumping Joe Hockey proclaims: austerity over democracy!

 

is this something that you would agree with? or this......

 

The economics of murder: $7 Medicare co-payment designed to stop sick seeing doctor

The $7 Medicare co-payment is a Nazi measure that will kill sick Australians—by design!

 

I'm no great fan of Mr Abbott and the Liberals, Boris.  I've always said Labor and Liberals are interchangeable and have a monopoly on Australia's political landscape.

 

But after seeing the farcical, backstabbing, blatant lying and  dithering antics of the previous Labor government, there was simply no other choice but to give the job to Mr Abbott. Unfortunately there was no other choice.

 

I'd like to see Australia break free from the Labor/Liberal stranglehold and have a government that is not bought and paid for by the banks and corporations, that has national interests at heart. That's a big ask, I know.

 

Like many Australians, I want to see Mr Abbott succeed simply because I couldn't stomach a return to Labor leadership after seeing the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd circus finally leave town.


@icyfroth wrote:

I'm no great fan of Mr Abbott and the Liberals, Boris.  I've always said Labor and Liberals are interchangeable and have a monopoly on Australia's political landscape.

 

But after seeing the farcical, backstabbing, blatant lying and  dithering antics of the previous Labor government, there was simply no other choice but to give the job to Mr Abbott. Unfortunately there was no other choice.

 

I'd like to see Australia break free from the Labor/Liberal stranglehold and have a government that is not bought and paid for by the banks and corporations, that has national interests at heart. That's a big ask, I know.

 

Like many Australians, I want to see Mr Abbott succeed simply because I couldn't stomach a return to Labor leadership after seeing the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd circus finally leave town.


you must be very disappointed so far then.


@boris1gary wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

I'm no great fan of Mr Abbott and the Liberals, Boris.  I've always said Labor and Liberals are interchangeable and have a monopoly on Australia's political landscape.

 

But after seeing the farcical, backstabbing, blatant lying and  dithering antics of the previous Labor government, there was simply no other choice but to give the job to Mr Abbott. Unfortunately there was no other choice.

 

I'd like to see Australia break free from the Labor/Liberal stranglehold and have a government that is not bought and paid for by the banks and corporations, that has national interests at heart. That's a big ask, I know.

 

Like many Australians, I want to see Mr Abbott succeed simply because I couldn't stomach a return to Labor leadership after seeing the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd circus finally leave town.


you must be very disappointed so far then.


not as much as I was disappointed by Ms Gillard.

Policy, budget aside, i don't get the whole "circus" thing. What was so surprising and "circus"? Gillard knocked Rudd off because of Rudds super profit tax, something that is done in other countries very successfully. It was a bad move by the right of the ALP (one of who has since retired from "politics, woohooo)and it backfired. I was shocked and annoyed when it happened but didn't read all the rubbish in the media about it for the next how many years. That tax was the one of the best things Rudd had done and the big mining companies didn't want it, they wouldn't have done anything but pay it, they can't take the land with them. We would have been able to spend that money on the Australian people, health, education, aged care, infrastructure, whatever. 

 

Don't be surprised if there is a move on abbott closer to the next election, I hope not - i don't think he can win it. Policy is what matters, not gossipy stuff in rags run by one of the big corporations that backed abbott all the way.


@boris1gary wrote:

 

Don't be surprised if there is a move on abbott closer to the next election, I hope not - i don't think he can win it. Policy is what matters, not gossipy stuff in rags run by one of the big corporations that backed abbott all the way.



Nothing much would surprise me about Australian politics, Boris, and it does't really matter anyway, because even if the heads change it will still be business as usual for the money-lenders in the temples.

 

 Yes, policies are what matters and Mr Abbott has them. As you say, that's what matters, not the trashy headlines the rags run by other big Labor-backed corporations on his slips of the tongue, accidental mispronunciations, or attacks on his family.

 

As you see comments like that can be applied to either party.