Hopefully she went into shock and shut down long before the five days.

Blessed are the cracked, for they are the ones who let in the light.

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@azureline** wrote:

Did I say they did?

My post was in response to interpretations by questionable sites.

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Did I say you said they did?

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@gkam2 wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

Did I say they did?

My post was in response to interpretations by questionable sites.

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Did I say you said they did?

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it certainly appears that way, you replied to and quoted my post.

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@azureline** wrote:

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@gkam2 wrote:

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@azureline** wrote:

Did I say they did?

My post was in response to interpretations by questionable sites.

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Did I say you said they did?

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it certainly appears that way, you replied to and quoted my post.

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I commented on your post, I did not reply to it, don't flatter yourself.

They have not hijacked Islam as they are Islamics and doing exactly what Mohammed did. He attacked towns and slaughtered everyone who would not convert to his new religion. Then he married a 6 year old girl (but did not have sex with her until she was 9 - whoopy-do!!). He was nothing more than a war mongering pedophile. Is it any wonder Islam does not honour women. The koran states that when you meet the infidel (anyone not a Moslem) you are to behead them if they will not convert. The term "infidel" is not a term of endearment, but a slur. When will the western world wake up to the reality of Islam and it's beloved leader Mohommed and stop trying to be politically correct??

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@steppefjordwyfe10 wrote:

Why say sorry?

 

I think that water boarding is not equivalent to the methods used by Islamist terrorists.  Not by a long shot.

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Really ?

 

 

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Really.

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@lealta wrote:

all in the name of Islam

 

That is THEIR justification, but it is no more the truth of what Islam stands for, than the Westboro Baptist Church's idea of what The Bible and Christianity stand for.   They are just excuses to justify hatred.

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For mine the "truth" of any religion is based on control and indoctrination...I am happy to have "faith' in myself, my

family, and friends and trust that they will reciprocate regardless of their belief/faith

Faith- strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

Jihad - Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives an property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." (Sahih Bukhari, 1:2:24 [see also 4:52:196])

http://lorenrosson.blogspot.com.au/2006/11/from-just-war-to-holy-war-godsend-to.html

Crusades - That the goal of the crusade was "materialistic" by definition -- repossession of land -- does not mean that crusaders were driven by colonial or imperialistic motives; they were not.

That leading crusaders ended up quarrelling, sometimes nastily, over who would assume lordship of conquered territory (Antioch, Tripoli, Jerusalem, etc.) does not mean they had been drawn to the holy war for mercenary reasons; all the evidence speaks against it.

Our sources depict warriors making harsh sacrifices, driven by sincere piety, a reverence for relics and holy places, and,

above all, an insecurity about their moral standing.

Thomas Asbridge explains: "All medieval society was preoccupied with the pursuit of purity, but the knightly aristocracy, forced by the nature of its profession into daily contact with contaminants such as violence and personal wealth, seems to have been particularly prone to harbor an obsession with spiritual infection and the afterlife...

Knights across Europe were trapped -- their secular obligations made sin inevitable, but monks cautioned them that their transgressions would, in the afterlife, trigger the most gruesome torments."

(The First Crusade, pp 71-72)

This is what the crusaders latched onto more than anything: an unprecedented opportunity to use their warrior-profession for salvific purposes.

To make a superficial but pointed analogy: the modern al-Qaeda terrorists didn't fly planes into buildings for material gain; they really believed that a host of virgins would be waiting in paradise to reward them.

The medieval crusaders likewise truly believed -- with the pope's promise -- that spilling Muslim blood and safeguarding Christian holy places would absolve them of their sins.

Spiritual conviction whether Islamic or christion .....in a nut shell = mumbo jumbo veiled in threats and promises made up to control and guide the herd

..... I could argue about the hidden meanings of the two novels all day... or go burn some books.... now where are

my matches??

"Burn baby burn.... it's a deity inferno"

I wonder why believers burn/burned books.....ahh hold on.... do you think...just by chance... it may be to try and make

sure that their particular brand of "truth" is the only "Truth", light and path to salvation available??

.....or maybe the act were/is to mask adjustemnt during the rewrite?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_book-burning_incidents

1 Antiquity

1.1 Destruction of Ebla

1.2 Destruction of Mari

1.3 Destruction of Alalakh

1.4 Destruction of Ugarit

1.5 Library of Ashurbanipal (by Babylonians, Scythians and Medes)

1.6 Chinese philosophy books (by Emperor Qin Shi Huang and anti-Qin rebels)

1.7 Protagoras's "On the Gods" (by Athenian authorities)

1.8 Zoroastrian scriptures and Persian royal archives (by Alexander the Great)

1.9 Jewish holy books (by the Seleucid monarch Antiochus IV)

1.10 Aeneid (unsuccessfully ordered by Virgil)

1.11 Roman history book (by the aediles)

1.12 Torah scroll (by Roman soldier)

1.13 Sorcery scrolls (by early converts to Christianity at Ephesus)

1.14 Rabbi Haninah ben Teradion burned with a Torah scroll (under Hadrian)

1.15 Burning of the Torah by Apostomus (precise time and circumstances debated)

1.16 Epicurus's book (in Paphlagonia)

1.17 Manichaean and Christian scriptures (by Diocletian)

1.18 Books of Arianism (after Council of Nicaea)

1.19 Library of Antioch (by Jovian)

1.20 "Unacceptable writings" (by Athanasius)

1.21 The Sibylline books (various times)

1.22 Writings of Priscillian

1.23 Etrusca Disciplina

1.24 Nestorius' books (by Theodosius II)

2 Middle Ages

2.1 Archives of Ctesiphon (during Arab conquest)

2.2 Repeated destruction of Alexandria libraries

2.3 Qur'anic texts with varying wording (ordered by the 3rd Caliph, Uthman)

2.4 Competing prayer books (at Toledo)

2.5 Abelard forced to burn his own book (at Soissons)

2.6 The writings of Arnold of Brescia (at France and Rome)

2.7 Nalanda University

2.8 Samanid Dynasty Library

2.9 Buddhist writings in the Maldives

2.10 Destruction of Cathar texts (Languedoc region of France)

2.11 Maimonides' philosophy (at Montpellier)

2.12 The Talmud (at Paris), first of many such burnings over the next centuries

2.13 Rabbi Nachmanides' account of the Disputation of Barcelona (by Dominicans)

2.14 The House of Wisdom library (at Baghdad)

2.15 Lollard books and writings (By English Law)

2.16 Wycliffe's books (at Prague)

2.17 Codices of the peoples conquered by the Aztecs (by Itzcoatl)

3 Early Modern Period (from 1492 to 1650)

3.1 Library and archives of the Novgorod Republic (by Ivan III and Ivan IV)

3.2 Decameron, Ovid and other "lewd" books (by Savonarola)

3.3 Arabic and Hebrew books (at Andalucia)

3.4 Tyndale's New Testament (in England)

3.5 Angelo Carletti's theological works (by Martin Luther)

3.6 English Monastic Libraries (during the Dissolution of the Monasteries)

3.7 Servetus's writings (burned with their author at Geneva, and also burned at Vienne)

3.8 "The Historie of Italie" (In England)

3.9 Maya sacred books (by Spanish Bishop of Yucatan)

3.10 Arabic writings in Spain (by King Philip II)

3.11 "Obscene" Maltese poetry (by the Inquisition)

3.12 Arwi books (by Portuguese in India and Ceylon)

3.13 Bernardino de Sahagún's manuscripts on Aztec culture (by Spanish authorities)

3.14 Luther's Bible translation

3.15 Uriel da Costa's book (By Jewish community and city authorities in Amsterdam)

3.16 Marco Antonio de Dominis' writings (in Rome)

4 Early Modern Period (from 1650 until the turn of the 19th century)

4.1 Books burned by civil, military and ecclesiastical authorities between 1640 and 1660 (in Cromwell's England)

4.2 Earl of Worcester's library (by New Model Army)

4.3 Book criticising Puritanism (in Boston)

4.4 Quaker books (in Boston)

4.5 Great Fire (London)

4.6 Hobbes books (at Oxford University)

4.7 Swedish National Archives 4.8 Mythical (and/or mystical) writings of Moshe Chaim Luzzatto (by rabbis)

4.9 Protestant books and Bibles (by Archbishop of Salzburg)

4.10 Amalasunta (by Carlo Goldoni)

4.11 The writings of Johann Christian Edelmann (by Imperial authorities in Frankfurt)

4.12 Books that offended Qianlong Emperor

4.13 Anti-Wilhelm Tell tract (at Canton of Uri)

4.14 Books by Voltaire

4.15 Vernacular Catholic hymn books (at Mainz)

4.16 Egyptian archaeological finds (threatened burning by French scholars)

5 Industrial Revolution period

5.1 "The Burned Book" (by Rabbi Nachman of Breslov)

5.2 Musin-Pushkin's library (In Great Moscow Fire)

5.3 Records of the Goa Inquisition (by Portuguese colonial authorities)

5.4 Original Library of Congress Collection (by British troops)

5.5 The Code Napoléon (by German Nationalist students)

5.6 Early braille books (in Paris)

5.7 Library of St. Augustine Academy, Philadelphia (by anti-Irish rioters)

5.8 Chinese literary works (By Anglo-French troops in Beijing)

5.9 Edmond Potonie's papers (by French Police)

5.10 Library of Strasbourg (in German bombardment)

5.11 Library of the Louvre (during suppression of the Paris Commune)

5.12 "Lewd" books (by Anthony Comstock and the NYSSV)

5.13 Emily Dickinson's correspondence (on her orders)

5.14 Ivan Bloch's research on Russian Jews (by Tsarist Russian government)

6 WWI and interbellum era

6.1 Leuven University Library (by World War I German Army)

6.2 Many books (by Communists in Russia)

6.3 Valley of the Squinting Windows (at Delvin, Ireland)

6.4 George Grosz's cartoons (By court order in Weimar Germany)

6.5 Irish National Archives (in Civil War)

6.6 Jewish, anti-Nazi and "degenerate" books (by the Nazis)

6.7 Theodore Dreiser's works (at Warsaw, Indiana)

6.8 Works of Goethe, Shaw, and Freud (by Metaxas dictatorship in Greece)

6.9 Pompeu Fabra's library (by Franco's troops)

7 World War II

7.1 Norman Lindsay's artistic work (by anti-pornography US officials)

7.2 Leuven University Library (by World War II German occupation troops)

7.3 Chinese libraries (by World War II Japanese troops)

7.4 Works in the British Museum (by German bomber planes)

7.5 Jean Genet's "Our Lady of the Flowers" (by French prison guard)

7.6 André Malraux's manuscript (by the Gestapo)

7.7 Various libraries in Warsaw, Poland (during World War II)

7.8 Books in the National Library of Serbia (by World War II German bomber planes)

7.9 Douai Municipal Library

7.10 Books in German libraries (by World War II Allied bomber planes)

8 Cold War era and 1990s

8.1 The books of Knut Hamsun (in post-WWII Norway)

8.2 Post-WWII Germany

8.3 Books in Kurdish (in north Iran)

8.4 Comic book burnings, 1948

8.5 Books by Shen Congwen (by Chinese booksellers)

8.6 Judaica collection at Birobidzhan (by Stalin)

8.7 Communist and "fellow traveller" books (by Senator McCarthy)

8.8 Wilhelm Reich's publications (by U.S. Food and Drug Administration)

8.9 Brazil, military coup, 1964

8.10 Religious, Anti-Communist and Genealogy books (in the Cultural Revolution)

8.11 Beatles Burnings – Southern USA, 1966

8.12 Leftist books in Chile after the 1973 coup d'état

8.13 Burning of Jaffna library

8.14 The Satanic Verses (worldwide)

8.15 Oriental Institute in Sarajevo (1992) 8.16 National and University Library of Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992)

8.17 Abkhazian Research Institute of History, Language and Literature & National Library of Abkhazia (by Georgian troops)

8.18 The Nasir-i Khusraw Foundation in Kabul (by the Taliban regime)

9 21st Century

9.1 Berkeley book burning

9.2 Abu Nuwas poetry (by Egyptian Ministry of Culture)

9.3 Independent Librarians (in Cuba)

9.4 Iraq's national library, Baghdad 2003

9.5 Harry Potter books (in various American cities)

9.6 Inventory of Prospero's Books (by proprietors Tom Wayne and W.E. Leathem)

9.7 New Testaments in city of Or Yehuda, Israel

9.8 Non-approved Bibles, books and music in Canton, North Carolina

9.9 Bagram Bibles

9.10 2010–11 Florida Qu'ran burning and related burnings

9.11 Operation Dark Heart, memoir by Anthony Shaffer (by the U. S. Dept. of Defense)

9.12 The burning of the library in the Institut d'Egypte in Cairo

9.13 Suspected Colorado City incident

9.14 Qur'ans in Afghanistan

9.15 Manuscripts in Timbuktu