Re: RECLAIM AUSTRALIA DAY RALLY 2015

polksaladallie · ‎10-02-2015

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@daydream**believer wrote:
"ban Halal Food labels, Do not let them have Sharia Law here in Australia."

Yep, i want halal certification on foods banned and i most definitely do not think Sharia law has any place within Australia. If that makes me a racist then so be it.
Did you know that here in W A our Government decided to build a new public hospital to service the eastern suburbs. the tender went to the St John Of God organization - as a result of which the public has now discovered that despite being touted as 'state of the art' the hospital will not perform abortions and will have no family planning clinic because St john Of Gods says that to allow them is not permitted under Catholic law. I cannot recall any similar constraints ever being put on a public facility by Sharia Law.

That's a bit like the Mater hospital in Brisbane. They have top specialists diagnosing malformed foetuses, then they send the patients with referrals down the road to QE2 hospital for the abortions. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Anonymous · ‎10-02-2015

@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@daydream**believer wrote:
"ban Halal Food labels, Do not let them have Sharia Law here in Australia."

Yep, i want halal certification on foods banned and i most definitely do not think Sharia law has any place within Australia. If that makes me a racist then so be it.
Did you know that here in W A our Government decided to build a new public hospital to service the eastern suburbs. the tender went to the St John Of God organization - as a result of which the public has now discovered that despite being touted as 'state of the art' the hospital will not perform abortions and will have no family planning clinic because St john Of Gods says that to allow them is not permitted under Catholic law. I cannot recall any similar constraints ever being put on a public facility by Sharia Law.

The West Australian government chose St John of God Health Care to operate the Midland Health Campus partly because its tender was $1.5 billion cheaper than others.

But religious beliefs prevent it doing procedures such as abortions and vasectomies, so those will be performed at a separate facility.

The Opposition suggested in parliament on Wednesday that the patients were being shunted to 'the corner of a car park,' and some callers on talkback radio questioned why a Catholic health provider had been selected to operate a mainly public hospital if it were not prepared to offer the full range of services.

But St John of God Health Care group chief executive, Michael Stanford, said the decision to build a stand-alone clinic was 'the State's decision' after the group made clear that its tender would not include certain services.

'We made it clear at the very outset of the bidding process,' Dr Stanford told ABC radio.

'The state government said, "It's not an issue."

'It is not our preference that there is any sort of separate stand-alone clinic.'

http://cathnews.com/cathnews/78-cn-perspectives/archive/18059-perth-abortion-controversy

its not an issue???? hmmm.

Anonymous · ‎10-02-2015

Hypocrisy at its finest

a bit like getting out of paying

interest on loans?

http://www.yourmortgage.com.au/article/demystifying-muslim-mortgages-79042.aspx

chuk_77 · ‎10-02-2015

@karliandjacko wrote:
@chuk_77 wrote:
^^^^^ this post is confusing
Is it? I find it more confusing that the logo of an Australian pride campaign features a union jack jacket wearing kangaroo.

oh dear

i-need-a-martini · ‎10-02-2015

@*julia*2010 wrote:
Hypocrisy at its finest

a bit like getting out of paying
interest on loans?

http://www.yourmortgage.com.au/article/demystifying-muslim-mortgages-79042.aspx

How are they "getting out of payng interest"? You make it sound as if they are getting their mortgage for free.

The loan is set up differently is all. Both lender and lendee are taking part in something risky and they know it.

The few muslims who do buy a house through this method are negligible anyway.Th rest do it by saving up and/or from loans from friends and family or shared investments.

The whole point of the "sharia" law in regards to interest is that Islam does not believe that people should profit from others. The intention is a good one in regards to common sense.

The other thing the article notes is that very few Muslims in Australia follow the sharia tradition in regards to loans. Unlike in the US, it is easy to get a loan here from a reputable bank.

Anonymous · ‎10-02-2015

How are they "getting out of payng interest"? You make it sound as if they are getting their mortgage for free.

you missed the point as usual.

the post was in response to the

hypocrisy comment.

of course they're not getting it for

free - they are simply getting around

paying 'interest'.

"Those who charge riba are in the same position as those controlled by the devil's influence... As for those who persist in riba, they incur Hell, wherein they abide forever" - Qur'an 2:275

This much is clear - the Qur'an has very strong words against "riba," which loosely translates to interest.

In order to get around this challenge, the MCCA has followed the lead of other lenders abroad and offered Islamic finance - essentially a process that avoids interest by entering into a partnership with each homebuyer and sharing the risk of the purchase.

The buyers don't make interest payments, but instead pay rent to the MCCA until a certain point when they are granted full ownership.

The MCCA and other Islamic finance lenders often define the amount of money they take above the purchase price as profit. Since "interest" is forbidden, the word is avoided in most cases, although the Australian government still requires it to be used in the paperwork.

However, no matter how it is worded, not all Muslims see the Islamic finance banking institutions as true followers of Sharia. Instead, say critics, they are the same as the banks they claim to offer an alternative to, still taking in profit and cloaking "interest" under a different name and using external funders that don't practice Sharia. There are numerous websites in Australia even, with authors taking shots at the MCCA and others, claiming they essentially have the same practice as traditional banks, but under a different cloak.

karliandjacko · ‎10-02-2015

@chuk_77 wrote:
@karliandjacko wrote:
@chuk_77 wrote:
^^^^^ this post is confusing
Is it? I find it more confusing that the logo of an Australian pride campaign features a union jack jacket wearing kangaroo.
oh dear

Yes, I must book in for an eye test. The first thing I saw was the union jack jacket not an Aussie flag :D:D Of course it was obvious on looking back :D:D

i-need-a-martini · ‎10-02-2015

So you think it's a problem that the Koran advises that it is a mistake to get into insurmountable debt and that it is evil to profit from someone elses debt?

Personally I think is simply common sense. Thos "very strong words" are a warning not to get into debt. And most Muslims are very cautious about this in general.

It also highlights what people don't understand about Sharia Law - it is a guide to use to live your life moderately and much of what is written is common sense and very sensible.

PS. And as noted, very few muslims use this 'service' and most in Australia borrow their money like your average Joe next door - from a bank.

Anonymous · ‎10-02-2015

So you think it's a problem that the Koran advises that it is a mistake to get into insurmountable debt and that it is evil to profit from someone elses debt?

not at all. what makes you think that was

what i thought?

the_great_she_elephant · ‎11-02-2015

@polksaladallie wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:
@daydream**believer wrote:
"ban Halal Food labels, Do not let them have Sharia Law here in Australia."

Yep, i want halal certification on foods banned and i most definitely do not think Sharia law has any place within Australia. If that makes me a racist then so be it.
Did you know that here in W A our Government decided to build a new public hospital to service the eastern suburbs. the tender went to the St John Of God organization - as a result of which the public has now discovered that despite being touted as 'state of the art' the hospital will not perform abortions and will have no family planning clinic because St john Of Gods says that to allow them is not permitted under Catholic law. I cannot recall any similar constraints ever being put on a public facility by Sharia Law.
That's a bit like the Mater hospital in Brisbane. They have top specialists diagnosing malformed foetuses, then they send the patients with referrals down the road to QE2 hospital for the abortions. Hypocrisy at its finest.

the difference is, the Mater is private hospital and there is a public hospital (QE2) "down the road" The Midland hospital is supposed to be a public hospital and there isnt another one 'just down the road.' the Government did belatedly agree to fund a stand alone family planning/abortion clinic off campus, but so far they haven't been able to find anyone interested in building it.