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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@idlewhile wrote:

Are you calling me a drug smuggler? it never fails  to astound me just how low some comments can go on here.

 

 I’m sure you have violated cs just with that repulsive slur.

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It's simply a recognition of the fact that given the wrong  circumstances any one of us might be capable of crimes which would put us in danger of a death penalty in other countries.. We can never be 100% certain of our own strengths and weaknesses and  It is very easy to demonise others for committing crimes which we have never been tempted to commit. 

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yeah yeah yeah, I have not demonised others for committing crimes, your slur still stands.

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@idlewhile wrote:

State murder is abhorrant and wrong. That is my belief and I stand by it.

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 Then why only refer to the two Australians?     

 Why do you believe it is wrong?

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@vicr3000 wrote:
I think he has posted why more than once on all the threads about Bali

Pretty clear IMHO

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     Just saying because I think it is wrong...... is somewhat immature.

     I was requesting a bit more depth..... maybe that's all they have......*shrugs*

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@idlewhile wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@idlewhile wrote:

Are you calling me a drug smuggler? it never fails  to astound me just how low some comments can go on here.

 

 I’m sure you have violated cs just with that repulsive slur.

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It's simply a recognition of the fact that given the wrong  circumstances any one of us might be capable of crimes which would put us in danger of a death penalty in other countries.. We can never be 100% certain of our own strengths and weaknesses and  It is very easy to demonise others for committing crimes which we have never been tempted to commit. 

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yeah yeah yeah, I have not demonised others for committing crimes, your slur still stands.

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You don't get it do you? I am not saying you have demonised anyone. I am saying the exact opposite. I am suggesting that  you are defending these drug smugglers is because you recognise the danger of demonising other for crimes you have not been tempted to commit - hence there but for the grace of God go I or you or anyone of us. 

As a matter of fact I am very much against capital punishment anywhere and for any offence. You can't bring back the dead and I am aware of too many cases where there has been a miscarriage of justice - including an historical one quite close to home.

. In 1820 one of Mr Elephant's convict ancestors - a man called george Bowerman - was hanged in Sydney for  highway robbery. He went to the gallows protesting his innocence andleft behind a wife and two young children.  A few weeks later another man confessed to the crime and George was given a posthumous pardon - it must have been a great comfort to him,and his widow.

http://www.the1788-1820pioneerassociation.org.au/George%20Bowerman.html

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@vicr3000 wrote:
I thought idle had explained previously why his views are like they are ?

And Icy

Both of whom I normally agree with but on this subject we are different.

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   On this thread?

Wow. Never would I ever smuggle drugs or murder someone.

And it's 2015 now, no miscarriage of justice with these people. They did the crime, they were not underage, they rolled the dice, and they lost. I don't do the Bali thing, but I wouldn't boycott because of this. Sorry for those they will leave behind, but the rules are the rules.