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@vicr3000 wrote:
Siggie

Either this or the other one, both had very similar names.

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    What other one?.....don't assume I read every thread.

You are doing that to yourself.......

Wow. Never would I ever smuggle drugs or murder someone.

I'm sure you wouldn't Nevyn, neither would I or anyone else here; but I suspect the reasons why we wouldn't have as much to do with our genes and our upbringing as our moral rectitude.

I am neither a smoker, a druggie nor an alcoholoic. I enjoy a drink, I used to be a social smoker and I would probably have tried marijuana had it been available during my London bedsitter years.  Fortunately for me, I never had the chemical/physical/ psychologica/whatever make-up to become addicted to any of them.  It was pure luck. I cannot claim any credit for it and it does not give me the right to look down on or feel superior to those who have 'succumbed. There but for the grace of God.......

(and no I am not suggesting you do look down on anyone)

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

I cannot claim any credit for it and it does not give me the right to look down on or feel superior to those who have 'succumbed. There but for the grace of God.......

 

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I don't look down on or feel superior to anyone. I take people on their actions. I don't like the death penalty for anything, BUT, we all know murder in some countries means the death penatly when they catch you. Same with drug traffickers in Indonesia. We cannot and should not tell other countries how to administer the law in their own country. Just as they don't have the right to tell us how to in ours.

Believe it or not, I actually agree with you.

It's all a bit acadamic anyway because, I don't see how, having already executed two foreigners,  the Indonesion Government  can possibly change their minds at the last minute over the Australians. Imagine the outrage - not only from their own citizens, but from those countries whose nationals were not  so fortunate. (Brazil and the Netherlands I think it was)

I am very sorry that these two young men are going to die, but it's going ro hapen and there is stuff-all any of us can do about it. And destroying the livelihood of countless  Balinese who - as someone else pointed out - are Hindus and  opposed to any form of killing would seem to me a pretty spiteful and pointless form of retalliation.

Exactly.

The legacy these two can give to others is to think. It could happen to you. It happened to us.

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@idlewhile wrote:

Indonesia have executed other Australians and it didn't make a bit of difference to peoples actions.

 

What Watta Joke has done is make a blanket decree that he will not give clemency to anybody. That is against the Indonesian constitution and against human rights.

 

There are 100's of drug dealers, big and small, in Indonesian jails and he's going to kill them all.

 

Its a different story to when they paid 1 million dollars blood money to get one of their own drug dealers out of Kuwait (not too sure about which Arab county atm) to save that 1 person from the death penalty.

 

The world will not forget this  killer.

 

 

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Which Australians were they?