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@idlewhile wrote:

Do you seriously want to go argy bargy on this thread?? This thread of all the threads you can spread you bias on you want to do it on here?.

 

This thread is about 2 young Australians facing the most horrific thing none of us can even comprehend. Get real.

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Please stay on topic OP.

Then men have put themselves in front  of the firing squad..... there are more horrific things happening in the world.

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@striped-sox wrote:
Agree with all you say!. Indonesia is a corrupt, barbaric country..Shame on them! When the next tsunami strikes, I hope Australia turns it back on them!
Will pray for the souls of these unfortunate men...

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Yeah !  Let's turn our backs on 200,000 ordinary people who die.  Who cares.

 

Whatever your religion is with that attitude, I want no part of it, and I hope you don't try to convert anybody.

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What makes you think 200,000 will die if Australians stop holidaying in Bali? That's just ridiculous.

 

After initial adjustment, people will go about their lives as they did for centuries before Australians and other Western tourists invaded their shores.

 

They were always a much more populous nation than Australia and will continue to be so. And many of them resent us.

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Did you seriously not understand the basic english of the post you mock?

 

When the next tsunami strikes was a rather large clue about the 200,000 deaths reference.  

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Yes I seriously misunderstood the 200,00 was in reference to the tsunami.

Apologies to Polks

IW: "As for giving Indonesia money for natural disasters? I gave plenty but never again,

they spend billions on the military, they have one of the largest land armies in the world and we give them aid?"

"they have one of the largest land armies in the world and we give them aid?"  Nonsense

IW,  within a debate the accuracy of statements is indicative of  the author's  reliability. The above statement apropos army size is absolute nonsense, as Indonesia comes in at around 15th internationally.

"Two other demographic heavyweights are punching below their weight - Indonesia, with a population of 250,000,000 has an army of 230,000, while Brazil, with a population of 200,000,000, has an army of 190,000."

As for Indonesia's military expenditure,  it is currently around $8billion compared with Australia's $26billion.

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I stand with idlewhile here to some extent.   The death penalty has no place in a civilsed society regardless of crime.  The approach by some posters here that they "deserve it" because they knew the potential outcome is intellectually lazy and devoid of compassion.

They remind me of the stories of people knitting at the guillotine.

When these young men are executed (as I am sadly sure they will be) the world will be a slightly darker place. Our collective humanity will be diminished.

As for a boycott ?  I am not so sure this is the right direction.  I certainly won't be setting foot in Bali ever, but that's for different reasons.   Maybe we should be boycotting Jakarta, but sadly there are too many vested interests at play and it will never happen.  Sure, the Ambassador may be recalled, there will be harsh words exchanged, but at the end it'll be back to normal - ""Move on, nothing to see here, can I send you some more beef".

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@idlewhile wrote:

 Please address the very serious prospect of this topic rather than trying to score points.

 

There are two Australians facing the firing squad and you want to talk about aid to Indonesia?

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Please stop twisting other people's comments into an excuse to attack.

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@idlewhile wrote:

Do you seriously want to go argy bargy on this thread?? This thread of all the threads you can spread you bias on you want to do it on here?.

 

This thread is about 2 young Australians facing the most horrific thing none of us can even comprehend. Get real.

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Seriously? You post a pile of posts which do nothing but attack other posters then pull that out.  

If you don't want "argy bargy" don't do "argy bargy".

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@pct001wine wrote:

I stand with idlewhile here to some extent.   The death penalty has no place in a civilsed society regardless of crime.  The approach by some posters here that they "deserve it" because they knew the potential outcome is intellectually lazy and devoid of compassion.

They remind me of the stories of people knitting at the guillotine.

 

When these young men are executed (as I am sadly sure they will be) the world will be a slightly darker place. Our collective humanity will be diminished.

 

As for a boycott ?  I am not so sure this is the right direction.  I certainly won't be setting foot in Bali ever, but that's for different reasons.   Maybe we should be boycotting Jakarta, but sadly there are too many vested interests at play and it will never happen.  Sure, the Ambassador may be recalled, there will be harsh words exchanged, but at the end it'll be back to normal - ""Move on, nothing to see here, can I send you some more beef".

 

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Of course you are right about the death penalty having no place in a civilised society.

A boycott sounds all well and good in some ways but I'm not sure how effective it would be, nor do I know if the effect would be that which is desired or something altogether different.

It's odd that while Indo does execute people it is trying the stop the execution of indonesians by other countries.  In a civilised world there is no place for executions and yet we don't openly object to Saudi Arabia murdering their prisoners and the US murdering their prisoners.  Do we only fight those we consider our inferiors?  

And China

http://www.smh.com.au/world/chinese-billionaire-mining-tycoon-liu-han-is-executed-over-his-links-to-...

Beijing:  Chinese authorities have executed a former billionaire mining tycoon connected to the eldest son of retired domestic security chief Zhou Yongkang, the man who became the focus of a high-profile corruption investigation, state media reported.

The High People's Court in the central province of Hubei ordered Monday's execution of Liu Han, the former chairman of Hanlong Group, who was sentenced to death last May, the official Xinhua news agency said. Last February prosecutors in central China charged Liu with murder, gun-running and other crimes connected with a "mafia-style" gang. Liu's firm, Hanlong Mining, had earlier tried to take over Australia's Sundance Resources Ltd.

The case against Liu was one of the most prominent involving a private businessman since President Xi Jinping took office two years ago and began a campaign against  graft. Once ranked as China's 230th richest person, Liu was tried last year, along with 36 others, accused of murder and running the so-called gang. Liu's younger brother Liu Wei and three others were also executed, according to Xinhua.

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@pct001wine wrote:

I stand with idlewhile here to some extent.   The death penalty has no place in a civilsed society regardless of crime.  The approach by some posters here that they "deserve it" because they knew the potential outcome is intellectually lazy and devoid of compassion.

They remind me of the stories of people knitting at the guillotine.

 

When these young men are executed (as I am sadly sure they will be) the world will be a slightly darker place. Our collective humanity will be diminished.

 

As for a boycott ?  I am not so sure this is the right direction.  I certainly won't be setting foot in Bali ever, but that's for different reasons.   Maybe we should be boycotting Jakarta, but sadly there are too many vested interests at play and it will never happen.  Sure, the Ambassador may be recalled, there will be harsh words exchanged, but at the end it'll be back to normal - ""Move on, nothing to see here, can I send you some more beef".

Most people agree with idlewhile, but he/she has not been able to see that.  Too busy with other thoughts.  Very sad.

I will repost my post #160

I think you'll find that most here agree with you, but you have been unable to see that through your outrage, IMO.

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@pct001wine wrote:

I stand with idlewhile here to some extent.   The death penalty has no place in a civilsed society regardless of crime.  The approach by some posters here that they "deserve it" because they knew the potential outcome is intellectually lazy and devoid of compassion.

They remind me of the stories of people knitting at the guillotine.

 

When these young men are executed (as I am sadly sure they will be) the world will be a slightly darker place. Our collective humanity will be diminished.

 

As for a boycott ?  I am not so sure this is the right direction.  I certainly won't be setting foot in Bali ever, but that's for different reasons.   Maybe we should be boycotting Jakarta, but sadly there are too many vested interests at play and it will never happen.  Sure, the Ambassador may be recalled, there will be harsh words exchanged, but at the end it'll be back to normal - ""Move on, nothing to see here, can I send you some more beef".

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Most people agree with idlewhile, but he/she has not been able to see that.  Too busy with other thoughts.  Very sad.

I will repost my post #160

I think you'll find that most here agree with you, but you have been unable to see that through your outrage, IMO.

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Yes, too busy attacking other posters for the sake of it.  Maybe just can't bring her/himself to agree with those preceived to be on the "left" even when they have been in agreement all along.