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on 23-11-2020 07:23 PM
@tasfleur wrote:4channel, perhaps there is a purpose to your "discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances" thread, but such a discussion is doomed to failure by its very nature.
It gives no real allowance for what people really would like to safely and confidently post as their personal opinion without some, who have long term self imposed tunnel vision, attacking them.
Ok I'm answering this even though your post was to 4channel, Tas.
Putting forward personal opinions for discussion are one thing.
Getting personal with insults and derision if there's disagreement, is another.
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on 23-11-2020 07:26 PM
Or non-mainstream opinions that don't accord with the OP's own non-mainstream opinions.
Or mainstream opinions backed by real science.
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23-11-2020 07:29 PM - edited 23-11-2020 07:33 PM
@tasfleur wrote:4channel, perhaps there is a purpose to your "discussion that challenges supposed mainstream beliefs and officially accepted stances" thread, but such a discussion is doomed to failure by its very nature.
It gives no real allowance for what people really would like to safely and confidently post as their personal opinion without some, who have long term self imposed tunnel vision, attacking them.
Well there won't be any attacks from me tasfleur.
I do confess though to having one vision I won't deviate from. That is the vision of people being able to discuss certain topics abouut helth-issues openly and in freedom. And if people disagree then that's fine by me. They should just do it without silly name calling or character assassination. Sadly for racist bigots I don't support that and I'd suggest they do it under their own rock. I wish bullies could follow them.
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on 23-11-2020 07:42 PM
There once were some posters called "suspects",
Who someone decided were rejects,
Our fun and joy spread,
By the end of the thread,
So "suspects" had made themselves "respects"

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on 23-11-2020 07:50 PM
Getting personal with insults and derision if there's disagreement, is another.
That is exactly right. I agree that that is the worst behaviour. So those who do that should think about that... like calling people "usual suspects" etc ... whatever that is supposed to mean.
People are just people. Healthy discussion and debate should be civil and polite, even where there is disagreement.
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on 23-11-2020 07:54 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
Ok I'm answering this even though your post was to 4channel, Tas.
Putting forward personal opinions for discussion are one thing.
Getting personal with insults and derision if there's disagreement, is another.

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on 23-11-2020 07:54 PM
@tasfleur wrote:Getting personal with insults and derision if there's disagreement, is another.
That is exactly right. I agree that that is the worst behaviour. So those who do that should think about that... like calling people "usual suspects" etc ... whatever that is supposed to mean.
People are just people. Healthy discussion and debate should be civil and polite, even where there is disagreement.
Unless they are racist bigots. With or without any proof. Which, I suppose, is the subject of this thread.
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on 23-11-2020 07:54 PM
I haven't seen you attacking anyone 4channel ... but looking back on some threads, there have often been attacks on people who do not agree with each other.
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23-11-2020 07:58 PM - edited 23-11-2020 07:59 PM
Unless they are racist bigots. With or without any proof. Which, I suppose, is the subject of this thread.
Yes Dave, and that's what makes it (the subject) near impossible to navigate safely.
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on 23-11-2020 08:13 PM
@tasfleur wrote:Unless they are racist bigots. With or without any proof. Which, I suppose, is the subject of this thread.
Yes Dave, and that's what makes it (the subject) near impossible to navigate safely.
The subject is possible to navigate safely. It applies to health related issues. lSimple solution is ....
* People who don't like open discussion on issues such as fluoride, mobile phone radiation can contribute sensibly as to why they think these open discussions should not be allowed.
* People who don't like the idea of people discussing the right to discuss these issues openly can contrubute sensibly as to why they think these open discussions should not be allowed.
* People who are not capable or willing to do this can move on to another thread,
* With racists I believe that their hate isn't a good thing so they shouldn't be doing it openly in a forum like this that has people of all ethnicities.