Yes I saw that too and had exactly the same thought as you.

It could very well be the reason why they are bending over backwards to make allowances for whatever rules this seller decides to break.. However I don't think it's in either the seller's, Ebay's or buyers interests to allow these gutter practices to continue....no one benefits by just allowing it to continue.

This very thread has already had nearly 2500 views in just a week....not a good look for the seller and certainly not a good look for Ebay.

Did you give them a neg for the way you were treated ?

 

That's far better than views on a eBay page.

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"Start me up I'll never stop......"

Yes I sure did leave them a neg and quite a while before starting this thread. I started this thread out of desperation due to nowhere else to turn. NB, he has had plenty of negs across his different store pages, some of them very similar to this situation, but it hasn't changed his behaviour. How many buyers those negs have put off, who knows but he seems not to care about that.

And most of the negs were on his other stores, which I wasn't aware of.

id43564
Community Member

Evidently when creating the postage label, the seller deliberately fudged his UPS account by entering my address but did not change the origin country. I think that he had hoped that the UPS system wouldn't detect that and so he would get away with buying a much cheaper domestic label. The giveaway from the start was that there were no customs forms in the email with the label. A quick call to UPS and they confirmed the whole thing.

 

The seller had until today to send either the return postage cost or a valid return label.

In the words of Neville Chamberlain (sort of): I have to tell you now, that no such undertaking has been received and that consequently Ebay have closed the case in my favour and has provided a full refund; paid for by the seller out of the funds on hold.

He will also forfeit the items.

 

Thank you to everyone for all your kind support and help....much appreciated.

 

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👍 I really hope that’s the end of it

I can't see how it couldn't be the end of it.

I notified the seller via messaging of the issue with the label and that a UPS label can't be used at this location.

That was days ago so he/she had plenty of time to send the postage cost which I also evidenced by a photo of the AP system showing the cost at the PO.

Ebay/PayPal have now issued the full refund and the case has been closed in my favour.

If he appeals, that's up to Ebay to deal with, not me....the refund has been issued and from what I understand, can't be reversed.

He didn't send a way to return the items within the deadline and worse he tried to use what appears to be a deliberate invalid label and having been quickly notified, did nothing to correct it, which proves it wasn't a mistake.

He didn't send the items until after the due date and after the item not received case was delivered to him, having lied from the start by marking the item as having been sent untracked.

In every possible way, I can't see how he has grounds for appeal, let alone for it to be granted.

And in any event, it is no longer my concern, thankfully.

 

 

id43564
Community Member

For anyone reading this having similar issues, here is some guidance gained from my experience:

 

1. Do everything via the chat system. You need written records of what Ebay has said. The phone service is abysmal and you are unlikely to ever get a call back from a supervisor. Keep all chat transcripts, which Ebay will email you.

 

2. Chat will look at the messages between you and the seller whilst you are in chat....make sure that you make every effort to have shown yourself to be as informative and pro-active as you possibly could be. If there is nothing or very little from you in chat, that will go against you. If there is plenty from you but little or nothing from the seller, that will go against them. Might not change the outcome but it's good to do everything correctly if you can and this seems to matter to Ebay more than I thought.

 

3. Ultimately Ebay has strict rules on how a case proceeds and no amount of incredibly bad behaviour by the seller throughout the purchase and subsequent case, is going to mean that Ebay will over-ride the case in your favour before the hold is over. If they say that the case is on hold, even if it means that the seller just has time to mess you around even more, you just have to wear it and wait for each hold period to close. Ebay cannot do anything about it and believe me, I tried.

 

4. Above all, as the regulars on here keep telling people.....whilst Ebay encourages the two parties to sort things out between them, only ever try that for a day or two and certainly never close to an expiry date for you to open a case. Open a case very shortly after item not received by the due date/item not as described/arrived DOA and then vigilantly stay on top of that case and NEVER allow a seller to bs you or persuade you not to open a case...they are likely stalling until it becomes too late for you to open a case.

 

5. Check the seller's location in their About page. If it doesn't match with the item location, check their negs and neutral feedbacks for something like "item was supposed to be located in Sydney but came from China and took forever to get here". Many sellers in China actually do have items in Australia at warehouses who send out on their behalf, nothing wrong with that. Just be aware of the difference between the two types of sellers in China.

 

6. If you must buy directly from sellers in China and know that to be the case, then have a look on AliExpress for the exact same item, same pictures etc, which can often be cheaper with quite possibly the same sellers as on Ebay. You can pay with PayPal so you have the usual guarantees from them.

 

7. Read the neg and neutral feedbacks before buying and choose the seller with the highest percentage (above 99% if possible) anything less than about 98% keep looking if you have alternatives.

High numbers of negs in the last 12 months should be an instant warning to you, even if they are for high volume sellers.

If there are even a few comments along the lines of "they never answered messages, very difficult to communicate with" walk away because they will likely do the same to you if there is an issue.

 

 

You got the full refund, that is great news!

I did wonder if the seller was just trying to fob you off and hoping you would somehow let things time out as return postage from Australia would probably not have been cheap.

 

I think you are right, once ebay closes a case and refunds a buyer, that is the end of it, for you.

Should a seller appeal and win (which has been known to happen) then ebay would possibly pay back out of their own funds. Of course they don't like doing that and I doubt it happens that often. It does happen occasionally-doubt it will in this case as the seller didn't comply with the time lines-but even if it did, it would be ebay's worry, not yours.

 

Your post has cheered up my evening. Glad to see a seller like that lose out.

etb321
Community Member

I'm thinking you might have left negative feedback without first giving the seller opportunity to sort the matter.  Once the damage is done a seller has no reason to be helpful.