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on 15-04-2025 05:43 PM
I am no watch expert so am only going off someone else's information but the two things to look at are the number 1 in the date code and where it says swiss made. Compare these to an original and you can see a difference.
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on 15-04-2025 07:27 PM
Same here bricks, I'm no expert either but there are plenty of differences in a real and fake Rolex .
Even something as subtle as an ever so slightly different clasp could make a difference if / when comparing the returned watch to the photos.
Although we all know which way these disputes usually go, so wishing the OP good luck
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on 16-04-2025 02:14 AM
The one thing that keeps jumping out at me is the whole "no returns" codswallop.
Every last seller on eBay accepts returns - like it it not. Just try dudding a buyer by inaccurately describing your item, and you most definitely accept returns every day of the week. Nobody ever gets to say... "well you bought my trash so sucked in you're keeping it"... can you imagine the state of our society if that were the norm - or even tolerated on any level?
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16-04-2025 06:00 AM - edited 16-04-2025 06:03 AM
I read your ad. Nowhere there did you give the slightest indication that this might not be a genuine watch or that it didn't work. I cannot for the life of me understand why you did not at least test it to see if it worked before you put it up for sale. And as for your claim that 'you didn't know if it was a replica or not', that is really dishonest form to advertise it as the real thing at such a high price point if you weren't sure.
You would have been better to put all the details in your ad so buyers could decide whether to take a risk or not.
The basic situation is this. On ebay, a buyer only has to say something is not as described and they are likely to win a claim. This man doesn't have to prove whether it is Rolex or not. All he has to say is it is not working. You advertised it as an exceptional piece ensuring reliability and style.
Ebay isn't like the old days, you don't get to decide who you will refund or how much etc. These days, ebay steps in in disputes. Once an item is sold, yes, it is still your responsibility till the item is received and the buyer is satisfied it matches the ad.
Let the buyer open a dispute, then you issue a proper return label & you will have to refund in full once you receive it back. Cross your fingers, because unfortunately you have sold in a category where you have left yourself wide open to being conned. You look to be new to buying & selling on ebay, you have an expensive item, you don't have proof it was genuine etc. Some dishonest buyers target people like you. Let's hope that isn't the case here.
If you must sell on ebay in future, start with low cost items.
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on 17-04-2025 09:49 AM
It belong to dad so one could say it's a 'vintage' submariner. Prices on the web, for a working vintage Rolex submariner range from $35,000 to $50,000. There is one available for $500,000 but I attribute that to wishfull thing.
Your buyer would have be aware of:
1) The high value of a genuine vintage submariner
2) The even higher probability it is a copy watch
The thinking would have been if I buy it and it's genuine i can onsell it on the cheap for a quick $20k return,
and/or get the $4000 back as ebay will refund it, no questions asked.
There's only one conclusion. What will be returned to you will be a copy watch