Proof Shilling

301134983787 Would you consider this a proof strike?

Unless all those marks are on the actual holder then no I wouldn't consider it a proof strike as a proof coin must not have any marks on it.

A proof coin is made using special dies and highly polished metal. It is struck several times. Its finished state is Proof.

 

A proof coin which has been handled, dropped or marked is technically still a proof strike - just not in Proof condition.

 

Simple answer- open a RAM Proof coin product , drop it on the ground, pick it up. Its still a proof struck coin in now circulated condition.

It might still be proof struck and now circulated but you won't see me buying it.

Just looks like an old damage shilling to me.

nice coin  not a proof the feild in the back  or the flat parts behind the ram are not polished enough to have been from a proof die

would be a nice unc coin  all the high parts are ok of these photos  just not good enough for proof

Thanks to all for your comments although I am surprised no one mentioned the poor strike on the reverse rim. 

This coin sold for $46 which is way too much I'm thinking. And no it is not a proof strike and never was.

Makes you wonder about the integrity of the seller who has too much experience to not to know the truth. His response when questioned was " Full refund always guaranteed". I would not be surprised to see that occur.

I agree that this is not, and never was a "proof".
I can't explain the state of the reverse-rim - looks like an uneven strike, but perhaps other explanations are possible.

The sparkling "patina", makes me wonder whether it has been "whizzed" as our American friends would say.

 

Quote:  "A proof coin which has been handled, dropped or marked is technically still a proof strike - just not in Proof condition.  

... Its still a proof struck coin in now circulated condition."

 

I think that the usual term for this situation is to refer to the coin as an "impaired proof", rather than circulated.

 

The problem with selling misdescribed coins - inadvertantly or deliberately - is that the novice buyer might not find out the error until years later, when she/he attempts to sell the item.  So, a full refund policy may not be of much use.