---

@**freethinker_bob** wrote:

---

@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

THere're so many, I don't have time to list them all.

e.g. In Genesis, the earth is created before light and stars,

 

you're obviously not reading the same Bible as me, Bob - mine says: "'in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

 

- birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals.

 

The order of events known from science is just the opposite.

 

Que? Science is just the opposite??? So science says: "the animals were created before the plants??? What did the animals eat while they waited for the plants?? No wonder so many of them went extinct.

 

If you want to discuss Faith and Reason Bob - at least try to be a little reasonable.

---

 

Hmmmmmm,  do you still want to claim that the bible is consistent with science and actually gives an accurate account of science. I don't think it's fair to pick on you. 

Based on the Genesis account, the first living things to be created were grasses and plants which lived on land. Scientifically, this is untrue. For the first three billion years, all life, both animal and plant were entirely aquatic and lived in the sea. The land area were sterile and had no life. During this period, all life consisted of single-celled prokaryotes that were not grasses, not herbs, and not even plants. The Biblical account that had grasses appearing at the same time, or shortly before fruit trees is also incorrect. Flowering plants, or angiosperms, appeared during the Cretaceous period, just before the extinction of the dinosaurs, and before any grasses appeared. As far as grasses, they weren't even remotely the first forms of life---grasses didn't appear until the early Tertiary period, well after the extinction of the dinosaurs. They are actually one of the LAST major groups of plants to have formed. The Genesis writer's idea that plants appeared before animals is also simply wrong----we know from the fossil record that multicellular animals appeared first. The Genesis account gets all of this wrong.

 

BTW the Sun hadn't been created yet. Plants, of course, cannot live without photosynthesis using sunlight. The Biblical idea that plants could have appeared before the Sun appeared simply reflects their lack of knowledge about the most basic biology of plants.

  

I won't even go any futher to Adam and Eve. Respectfully, this isn't  a fair debate. Even intelligent theologians are smart enough not to claim the bible is a science book. I wish you don't go there. Coz' it just makes faith look stupid. 

Please Bob, feel free to pick on me. I have my faith but I also have reason. This is how I see Creation V Science . Fossil Record.

 

Genesis 1 is obviously a SUMMARY of Creation. If it were to detail every single creation from the first single cell lifeform it would fill thousands of books.

 

"In the begining God created the heaven and the earth" - I guess that is what you would refer to as the 'big bang'.

 

Day 3 gen 1:11: Then God said, “Let the earth produce vegetation" - Obviously the first vegetation was simplistic after all the land was probably still mostly rock and the air would not have been breathable (and, as you so rightly pointed out - no photosynthesis yet) but as that 'day' progressed and rock became soil, the air became more and more accepting of life as we know it - water became less salt, so vegetaiton became more and more complex until eventually grasses and trees.

 

Day 4: Up until this stage the earth would have been covered in mist & smoke haze (still very volcanic etc), but gradually (over the previous 'days') the haze would have cleared making the sun, moon etc more visible and the sun's rays would have started to have more influence on the surface of the earth facilitating photosynthesis and more complex plants - see above - PLUS the difference in day and night (we're talking about 24-hour days now) would have been more obvious.

 

Day 5: The first life forms created were in the seas.
"Let the water swarm with swimming creatures" - again, simplistic at first (one cell) and then, after many millions of years more and more complex creatures including fish, whales etc. The first flying creatures - again simple ones first and advancing to more and more complex.

 

Day 6: The start of the creation of earthly animals - again, simplistic at first advancing over many millions of years to more complex and eventually to man himself.

 

This, to me, follows the fossil record both in sea and on land. Simplistic single cell forms first and after many millions of years more and more complex - then land based life forms - EXACTLY like the fossil record says.