Some people believe that if you ask for a pay rise you will get one lol

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@poddster wrote:

Let me relate what occurred when I was hired by a company.

 

H had not been there a week when I was lod by the union shop steward that this was a "closed shop" and that i had to join the union. I said that no desire to do so and I was told that unless I did would be made at odds with the rest of the workers int the "closed shop" I said I would handle that if it should arrive. After arounr 3 weeks of pressure being applied to no avail the shop steward approached the company and threatened to strike unless I joined the union. I was approached by the manager who asked me to join the union just to keep the peace. I told him that i would not join and would terminate my employment before joining a union.

it so happens that over the perion of my employment the company was more than happy with my performance and did not want me to leave.

A solution was found, I was made a member of staff. 🙂 the shop steward was miffed for years to come and about half of the other union members in the "closed shop" gave up their membership when they saw that it could be done 🙂 

 

 

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poddster, in my experience in most workplaces "staff" as you describe it above is usually management of some sort or another and most often than not - not union members - not usually covered by same awards or EBA;s.

That is why i posted what I posted, I assume you had other jobs - like the ABC that you have mentioned before.

If they are a valued employee and the pay rise is justifiable than it is in the interest of the employer to grant it. The alternative is hiring a new employee with associated skills and then taking the risk of training and the learning curve coming in under what the increase in pay increase that was requested.

Do we have a comment about the banks at all?

Or is that too big a picture to take in?

Poddy

In the real world it does not happen, particularly with big business.

It's cheaper (as an example) (bank manager)  to employ someone younger and fresh out of uni with qualifications than to keep the 60 year old more experienced bank manager.

Donna, l in my experience I have managed to make it happen every time.

In my role as an employer I had the same attitude and never had a problem.

All it needs is mutual respect and and realism in wages and conditions on.

well froth, didn't you choose the topic heading Throw The Book At Corrupt Unions...........................

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@poddster wrote:

Donna, l in my experience I have managed to make it happen every time.

In my role as an employer I had the same attitude and never had a problem.

 

All it needs is mutual respect and and realism in wages and conditions on.

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poddster,

that is not how it operates for workers, usually only management - in no place i have ever worked would this have been possible for workers or acceptable to the bosses.

works for me too poddy but that is not the reality for the majority of the population

how long since you have seen an 'old' bank manager?

trying to include banks to keep froth happy 🙂

Could it be that the vast divide was created by totally unrealistic demands made by unions in the past?

I would venture to say that those unrealistic DEMANDS are a contributory factor in the breakdown of employer/employee relations.