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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@bobbelgra wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

Gen 32: Jacon wrestled with a man (possibly an angel). Are you trying to tell me that Jacob wrestled physically with God?

Gen18: Abraham saw three men. Three men (angelic messengers?) sent to tell Abraham about Sarah having a baby. The same men (angels) who then went to Sodom.

Job 42: Job saw God with his eyes. Amplified Bible puts it rather well: 5 I had heard of You [only] by the hearing of the ear, but now my [spiritual] eye sees You.

 

I don't know what the JWs would say but I say you are blinded by your beliefs and putting your own interpretation on otherwise straight forward scriptures. None of the above SAW GOD.

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And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have SEEN GOD FACE TO FACE and my life is preserved.

 

Yet Clive says it is wrong.Jacob did NOT see God according to Clive so we ought to rip this verse out of the Bible.

You remind me of the man that told me that the so called "rapture" was before tribulation.I showed him where it says "IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION" and he replied that it was before.So I asked again and he said 100% BEFORE.He claimed I was misinterpreting the word AFTER and it meant BEFORE.

 

Now Clive you are claiming I am misinterpreting the Word SAW and it actually means DID NOT SEE!

There is no way of arguing with someone like you Clive.None what so ever.

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I didn't CLAIM anything - I showed you the scriptures.  Are you saying that Jacob wrestled with God himself?

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Pointless arguing with you Clive.A waste of your time and mine.If SAW does not mean SAW in your eyes then so be it.Basically you reject most of what the Bible says because it does not fit with what you want it to say.Obviously when the Bible says Jesus was THE WORD  you do not think He was The WORD!I am not going to argue with you.If Jacob said He SAW God and you do not think He did then nothing I say will convince you.