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@azureline** wrote:

Icy, what did you replace your OH's Zymil milk with?

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Unfortunately, Az, I haven't found a ready alternative for the Paul's Zymil, so I'm still forced to buy it.

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@lal-au0 wrote:

we live in the city, no snakes here.

 

we had that grass that makes loooong vines, several metres, choking and killing everything else.

 

also i don't want hubby to have a heart attack mowing it. he won't let me mowe it and i can't start the mower myself.

 

we bought a $100 sprayer at bunnings and i walk around the garden every now and then and kill the grass and the weeds.

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Why do you need "permission" to mow the grass?

Why can't you start the mower yourself?

Are you back in the 1950s?

Heres a tip Erica, if this threads offends you and your Christmas spirit and you dont like the discussion, dont come into it

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@daydream**believer wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@daydream**believer wrote:

In all honesty, i dont think we can stop the Halal scam.

I think its here to stay.

What i would like it clear labelling on the products that pay for Halal certification.

Those that pay for it should have to clearly label it.

No more excuses that they cant fit it on the packaging or that it costs too much to add it to the packaging and no more hiding it inside the packaging (like coon did).

Put it on the packet if they are so proud of having it otherwise whats the point of paying it because the Muslims wont know its halal.

 

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Coon may be an exception, and I can't imagine why they would have been that stupid, but the whole point of comapnies paying for  halal certification is that THEY DO label those products so Muslim shoppers can feel confident buying them. 

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Then perhaps you need to do some research as there are many many companies who pay for halal certification but don't label their products.

And that there is what makes the halal certification even more of a scam. The label is supposed to help Muslims make informed decisions about the foods they can and cannot eat, yet in many cases, the label is not being shown. So how do the Muslims know if they can and cannot eat it? Why are the companies paying the fee not advertising to all Australians that they are paying the fee by showing the label?

I asked the lady thats serves me in my butchers the other day if their meat was sourced from an halal certified abbatoirs. She said that it was however they are not able to label any of the meat they sell as halal because 1. it travelled to their butchers in a truck also carrying pork and 2. it is on display near pork products in their butchers. I then asked her if they have many muslim customers at their butcher and she said "Yes. Heaps"

So what exactly is the point of abbatoirs paying for halal certification when they chuck all the meat in one truck? What exactly is the point of abbatoirs paying for halal certification when butchers put all the meat together? What exactly is the point of abbatoirs paying for halal certification when Muslims dont seem to care if the beef they buy has been in a truck or butcher cabinet near pork products?

 

 

 

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I'll repost this as it seems to have been over looked by those who have all the answers regarding halal certification and how those of us who avoid buying halal certified foods are all just racist bigots.

I will repost that the main reason Halal Certification is paid for is for export markets. Highly unlikely that it is done to suit 2.4% of the population in the domestic market.

I have no problem with people refusing to buy goods with any certification on them, including the heart tick..............I expect that the Muslims who buy meat from butchers that is not Halal, do so because they choose not to follow strict Muslim guidelines.

My friend is Muslim, she doesn't buy meat from Halal butchers, however, she usually buys chicken. She has also had pizza with us, so long as there is no pork on it.

A bit like Catholics who eat meat during Lent? or on Good Friday.

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

There is so much innaccuracy and misleading in that article that it is laughable, Posting it on just makes you look foolish.

 

80% of supemarket items are halal certified? Really?? I challenge anyone to open their cupboards right now and find even 20% of items halal certified.

 

Trying to cloud the issue, martini?

80% of halal-certified supermarket items does not necessarily equate to 80% of halal-certified groceries in household cupboards.

 

And Mr Pickering does not understand what Jizya was. Aside from the fact that very few countries have imposed this over the last few centuries (in the same way the Christian imposed taxes have disappeared),

 

a.The article was not written by Mr Pickering. It was written by a certain Harry Richardson, a long-time student of Islam and author of best seller, "the Story Of Mohammed - Islam Unveiled'.

 

 if  halal certification was being "disguised" as a Jizya Tax then surely by the nature of the tax, it should be NON-halal food that is taxed?

 

b. Much of it IS non-halal food. As in the recent case of Fleurieu yoghurt which was required to be halal-certified even though it contains no gelatine and so would be halal exempt.

 

Erroneously giving it a label, Pickering seeks to link it to the Koran. But he gets it all wrong.

 

c. The error is yours. The article was not written by Mr Pickering. It was written by a certain Harry Richardson, a long-time student of Islam and author of best seller, "the Story Of Mohammed - Islam Unveiled'. Repeat: a long-time student of Islam and author of best seller, "the Story Of Mohammed - Islam Unveiled'. And you know better because you're, what - an interior designer?

 

And as for Mr Shafiq Khan (John Howards close buddy), again linking what he supports with funding terrorism is a long shot. The courts case was about money. When it comes to money, stupid accusations are made. In this case (as reported in the SMH) one of his competitors suggested that the Khan's auditing was suspect and money was being used to fund his school which turned out to be not true. And yet it is repeated in Pickering.

 

When it comes to money, all kinds of cover-ups are possible and long shots can still be accurate.

 

Why aid in the spreading of lies icy?

 

You calling it lies doesn't make it so. Actually, martini, you calling anything a lie in regards to matters Muslim would dispose me to suspecting the opposite

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