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@esayaf wrote:
My argument is that the cashless card won't solve these problems not that people should be able to bash, neglect family members and smoke ice.
Okay, I'm not endorsing those activities. Do I have to write it a hundred times. The cashless card won't change human behaviour. I'm sure the activities you mentioned were happening long before cash existed, not smoking ice. But family violence and neglect and drug taking have been occurring long before anyone was on welfare

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Those activities do happen but the card is an attempt to try and limit that abuse.

There are a number of people on welfare where I live and three people are getting evicted because of the way

they carry on through alcohol and drug use,(they are the only ones that behave in that way).

So a card for them would limit their abuse.

Some of the 14 others have a drink but don't behave in that manner,(so no card needed?).

IMHO the card would be a definite benefit in some communities but it will have drawbacks and a trial would

highlight them,(so do the trial and then see what needs to be done),

One of the drawbacks will be farmers markets,car and general repairs,etc,(and they would need to be

accepted by all utility companies).

esayaf, I assume your response was to me not djilukjilly,

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@esayaf wrote:
I recall saying in my second post I don't know the answer to solving these problems but the cashless card isn't it.
I was beaten by my father every day nearly and he had a job and didn't ( work. edit drink alcohol )

Welcome to the club. Many here think family violence is only commited against woman and get very upset when posters suggest males are also often victims. I,m with you on this one.
so I don't endorse violence or neglect. I don't believe my statement is an endorsement of the activities that you have mentioned. My point is that plenty of working people also engage in the activities you mentioned

True, but the money they use is their own, not money that others have given them to provide for lifes essentials. This is in essence what this whole disscussion is about.

but the government is seemingly only interested in punishing all welfare recipients as is the general public for a community wide problem by stigmatising all welfare recipients.
I'll say again I don't know the answer, it would seem no one does but this card isn't it it is just a blatant vote grab by jumping on the welfare recipient bashing band wagon.
How about you come up with an answer to solve this problem for the whole community

The people who are paid to study this with guidance from the proffesionals who administer welfare in CONSULTATION with some of the worst affected communities, believe the card is part of the answer. Personally I agree. By giving a % of the payment as cash, welfare recipients still have discretionary spending. I can see that those who use a large % of thier welfare payments to buy alcohol , drugs or cigerettes are not going to like this idea,

rather than twisting my words and making me the bad guy in this debate.
You are just attacking me now not the issue

I,m sorry if you view my dissagreement with you on important aspects of the plan as personel attacks. That was not my intention. I simply find the post you made, that taxpayers should not have any say on how the money they provide to welfare recipients is spent, quite offensive. If I,m working several hours a week to provide a basic living allowance for those who cant or chose not to work, I think its fair to expect that the money will be used for the purposes given. I dont begrudge anyone an occasional drink or a few ciggies a day if thats what floats their boat,  but I dont expect that a major proportion of taxpayers money will be spent on supporting individuals addictions.

What I think we are dealing with here is a disgruntled entitled mindset. I get that this poster has had a rough life, well join the club, many have had the same but that does not entitle anybody to a free ride I'm sorry to say. We are not a big population, we do not have a huge workforce to tax, there is only so much to go around.

Free hospital and medical, dental assistance, rent assistance and welfare payments and many other govt welfare is available so I think this country is doing a stand up job looking after the disadvantaged.