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10-08-2020 11:54 PM - edited 10-08-2020 11:55 PM
I believe the US govt had experimented on African American and Hispanic / Latino citizens. I'm not only talking about the Tuskegee venerial diseases experiments either. Anyone know / remember what Gulf War illness is?
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on 11-08-2020 10:28 AM
@icyfroth wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:Icyfroth wrote: Not the first time germ warfare has been unleashed to reduce a given population.
Really? So enlighten us - which were the previous 'unleashings' and who unleashed this one?
In the past? Measles, smallpox, venereal disease, alcoholism, drug addiction etc, introduced to the indigineous populations of the British colonies for example.
This latest one? We blame China. But really?
People 200 years ago had no idea about viruses or bacteria & didn't deliberately unleash them on anyone. Indigenous populations were hard hit because they had not been in contact with those diseases so no one had immunity.
Those sorts of diseases, it is worth noting, also had a regular impact on white populations too. Even now, measles can still be a serious illness with complications. I am interested in genealogy & my family trees are littered with childhood deaths from things such as diptheria and adult deaths from TB etc
Covid19 came out of China. Probably by accident but people sometimes do blame China for the conditions at markets that make it easier for these sorts of viruses to take hold.
think there are 2 parts to the blame game here though. Part might be as to how the virus originated but the second part is about whether the seriousness of the virus was covered up for political reasons. To me, that is a different issue entirely and fair enough for people to ask questions, just as it is fair enough to ask Dan Andrews questions about the hotel quarantine arrangements etc. Those sorts of matters go beyond the virus.
There's no doubt that governments have looked at 'germ warfare' as you put it & its more of a possibility these days than it would have been back in the distant past.
To me, some of the most disturbing aspects would be where we have seen actual chemical warfare used.
For example: Where Saddam Hussein deliberately used chemical weapons against his very own people, killing thousands of civilians in the 1980s.
And after 9/11, "the organization Al queda announced that they were attempting to acquire radiological, biological, and chemical weapons. This threat was lent a great deal of credibility when a large archive of videotapes was obtained by CNN in August 2002 showing, among other things, the killing of three dogs by an apparent nerve agent."
Now, that's a worry!
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on 12-08-2020 12:48 PM
"Germ" warfare is considerably more unpredictable than chemicals. Viruses and bacteria can spread far beyond to where they were intended. They can mutate and nobody knows where it might end up. Not that it would stop some people considering it. In any case, using something that we can vaccinate against (small pox) would not be very efficient in doing damage, and using something like COVID, which we cannot as yet vaccinate against, would be danger to everybody.
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on 12-08-2020 06:44 PM
Hell you only have to think of Agent orange,
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on 13-08-2020 10:59 AM
Yes, chemical warfare is definitely more efficient & controllable. It has the advantage, too, that it isn't wrecking the land for decades to come, which could be the case with nuclear or atomic weapons..
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on 13-08-2020 11:53 AM
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QUOTE icyfroth: "Not the first time germ warfare has been unleashed to reduce a given population."
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Yes, if allowed to get away with murder then they will! See below.
US planned nerve gas attack on Australian troops
Former Australian Prime Minister Harold HoltNZ HeraldBy: Greg AnsleyKey Points:
CANBERRA - The United States planned to gas Australian troops in experiments with two of the most lethal nerve gases ever devised, newly declassified files have revealed.
Previously top secret documents have shown that even as the world was outlawing chemical weapons at the height of the Cold War, Washington sought Canberra's permission to test sarin and VX gas on diggers in remote Queensland.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10520276
Good on you Harold. You had decency, guts and compassion!
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on 13-08-2020 02:44 PM
OMG that is so B awful F America
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14-08-2020 07:39 AM - edited 14-08-2020 07:40 AM
Yes, it's awful but not surprising. America tested some awful stuff on their own citizens.
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14-08-2020 08:37 AM - edited 14-08-2020 08:38 AM
@lionrose.7 wrote:
OMG that is so B awful F America
Yes disgusting. Please check out the below
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11256375
This is evil and sociopathic.
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on 14-08-2020 08:43 AM
@*kazumi* wrote:Yes, it's awful but not surprising. America tested some awful stuff on their own citizens.
The Gulf War vets are one of the more recent. Actually prob more as that was nearly 30 years ago.
Another legacy from the war
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