imastawka
Honored Contributor
In response to bright.ton42

‎09-09-2020 06:29 PM - edited ‎09-09-2020 06:30 PM

@bright.ton42 wrote:
@countessalmirena wrote:

4channel, from both the thread's subject and the contents of the opening post, in my view the mention of vaccinations and 5G was tangential to the main thrust of the post.

 

This post is already far too long...

Yep. Can you condense it for someone like me who doesn't have the time?    Smiley Wink

 

Yeah.  Read the paragraph before that last line

countessalmirena
Community Member
In response to bright.ton42

on ‎09-09-2020 10:35 PM

I’ll try to condense it. (Sorry – I know that my posts tend to be blue whales rather than goldfish.)

 

  • Mostly I leave conspiracy theory subjects alone.
  • I don’t deny the possibility of some conspiracies; equally, I don’t see the point in debating some/most conspiracy theories with passionate believers.
  • If I were to bring forward sound evidence and raw data to conspiracy believers/protesters, they’d almost certainly refuse to believe the evidence and data, and become even more entrenched in their belief.
  • Vaccines protect not only those who are vaccinated, but also those who – for medical reasons – can’t be vaccinated. Anti-vaccination affects not only the individual, but also immunity of the community. 
  • I consider that protesting about anything at this time is selfish.
  • I have a personal reason for feeling that protest behaviour (and any of the bad behaviour that’s increased the current virus surge and even the risk of its spread) is painfully selfish. That reason will cause me hurt for the rest of my life.

bright.ton42
Community Member
In response to countessalmirena

on ‎10-09-2020 10:04 AM

Thank you countess and  ,  i agree with what you say.   And i apologise for my clumsiness.  I am very sorry that you are in such a place of hurt,   and can only hope that time will help you to heal.  

 

4channel
Community Member
In response to countessalmirena

on ‎13-09-2020 03:19 PM

I'll reply to your long post later countessalmirena.  I just want to explain a bit more about why I can understand some of the concerns that the protesters have. Some of the protesters are not there because of the vaccine or 5G health concerns, some are there just because of their concerns about the economy and their businesses being shut down.

 

What I am going to address is why people are concerned about some vaccinations and the fact that profit before people is usually what it's all about. Personally I'm not against all vaccinations. There's some I agree with and others I don't.

Take the hpv vaccine. It has been banned in Japan. This is in part due to the infertility concerns and also other issues that are touched on below. I'm not suggesting that this will be the case with a corona vaccine. What I'm trying to understand is the concerns that these protesters have, I think that the vaccine could be rushed out quicker than need be

 

 

Safety concerns

 

 

Local teen takes on ‘Big Pharma’ over mandatory vaccine’s side effects


315 views
•Aug 26, 2020

 

 

WPRI 


59.9K subscribers

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkVSDSqK43Y

 

 

 

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the_great_she_elephant
Community Member
In response to 4channel

on ‎13-09-2020 06:22 PM

One would think that those  so worried about the possible  risks associated with vacinations, 5g, fluoridasion of water etc. etc.etc.  would be equally worried about the risks associated with gathering in large numbers in the middle of a pandemic. 

4channel
Community Member
In response to the_great_she_elephant

‎13-09-2020 07:03 PM - edited ‎13-09-2020 07:06 PM

Well some could say that it's Russian Roulette either way.  But let's look at the bigger picture here. From what I know about incompetent and corrupt governments and greed, I can say that there's always cause for concern.

 

Below, John Kapoor is just the tip of the iceberg


John Kapoor, founder of Insys Therapeutics, sentenced to 66 months in landmark fentanyl bribery case
Joey Garrison
USA TODAY
 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/01/23/insys-therapeutics-founder-john-kapoor-serve-6...

 

So as you can see with the mandatory aspect as shown in my previous post and the corrupt relationship that exists between big businesses (In this case BIG PHARMA) , politicians and also their sponsorship relationship with thre media, problems exist. Just like the HPV vaccine has been banned and apparently for good reason in Japan,  a rush vaccine and a hungry for profit at any expense pharmaceutical company isn't good.! Now take a govt that has a long history of not being very honest, and incompetent and you have people out there concerned for their safety. Well, they're out there protesting and I can understand their concerns.

Most people will recover from Corona virus. Vaccine damage and fatality by improper / rushed vaccines is permanent!   A proper vaccine takes years to be proven safe.  And still with that it's not a one size fits all solution.

 

 

 

It's probably aboout profit!


Big Pharma Manipulates Clinical Drug Trials — Peter Gotzsche, M.D.


1,638 views
•Premiered Dec 8, 2019

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0wzUpQdAig



Tricks Big Pharma Uses to Get New Drugs Approved by the FDA: Peter Gotzsche, M.D.


511 views
•Premiered Dec 13, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzO44KOG_9c

 

 

jetho1680
Community Member
In response to 4channel

‎13-09-2020 10:15 PM - edited ‎13-09-2020 10:17 PM

'Died from' or 'died with' COVID-19?

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-10/died-with-covid-19-or-died-from-covid-19-coronavirus-deaths/1...

 

 

 

 

 

lalbo-81
Community Member
In response to 4channel

on ‎14-09-2020 09:40 AM

@4channel wrote:

Well some could say that it's Russian Roulette either way.  But let's look at the bigger picture here. From what I know about incompetent and corrupt governments and greed, I can say that there's always cause for concern.

 

Below, John Kapoor is just the tip of the iceberg


John Kapoor, founder of Insys Therapeutics, sentenced to 66 months in landmark fentanyl bribery case
Joey Garrison
USA TODAY
 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/01/23/insys-therapeutics-founder-john-kapoor-serve-6...

 

So as you can see with the mandatory aspect as shown in my previous post and the corrupt relationship that exists between big businesses (In this case BIG PHARMA) , politicians and also their sponsorship relationship with thre media, problems exist. Just like the HPV vaccine has been banned and apparently for good reason in Japan,  a rush vaccine and a hungry for profit at any expense pharmaceutical company isn't good.! Now take a govt that has a long history of not being very honest, and incompetent and you have people out there concerned for their safety. Well, they're out there protesting and I can understand their concerns.

Most people will recover from Corona virus. Vaccine damage and fatality by improper / rushed vaccines is permanent!   A proper vaccine takes years to be proven safe.  And still with that it's not a one size fits all solution.

 

 

 

It's probably aboout profit!


Big Pharma Manipulates Clinical Drug Trials — Peter Gotzsche, M.D.


1,638 views
•Premiered Dec 8, 2019

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0wzUpQdAig



Tricks Big Pharma Uses to Get New Drugs Approved by the FDA: Peter Gotzsche, M.D.


511 views
•Premiered Dec 13, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzO44KOG_9c

 

 

The HPV vaccine is not banned in Japan. It is simply no longer being actively recommended. I suggest you do your homework before you post more of this conspiracy garbage. 

domino-710
Community Member
In response to lalbo-81

on ‎14-09-2020 09:44 AM

Oh come on Lal - all up both articles received 2,149 views. Robot wink

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