I dont know actually. If seller was a norm size Au 8 then silly me should have asked her. They were on a bid. I was outbid then forgot about it. Then received an invoice for the starting bid price and bought them. They had around 4 sizes printed on the soul near the heel. Probably made in china. Size 8 Aust is size 5 UK. I was always pretty dubious about getting shoes online I will just be more careful next time. Lesson learnt. And I guess she would have accepted a return besides.