The first one that you mentioned Wyvern is Japanese 1408 etc. I was in his shop about 3 weeks ago and told the chap that it was not Newtone as he described it and he believed me.

However the second one 2511 etc. Is actually Bouquet Ware, it is Aussie and is actually very cheap and desirable for that price. I have several but would honestly recommend it to any Kooka buyer,

Pip