trying to make people appear less than human and unworthy of humane treatment  in order to achieve one's goals is the problem here imo

I don't ask someone their name and only then judge how I behave based on that 

Some people do and that is to their own discredit .

Not the discredit of the person with the foreign sounding name

Jewish ancestors who changed their names were the same people before and after making their name more British.

Strange how a name controlled other people's behaviour .

 

Huh?

"trying to make people appear less than human and unworthy of humane treatment  in order to achieve one's goals is the problem here imo"

 

What exactly do you mean by that statement?

Silverfaun, see your post ^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

 

and re having no respect for the Law of the Land 

 

 

The Law of this Land called Australia includes the refugee Convention .

It is not unlawful to seek  Asylum by boat or plane ,with or without papers

 

Hate speech and discrimination however are unlawful 

 

................... A FOOT


@izabsmiling wrote:

Silverfaun, see your post ^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

 

and re having no respect for the Law of the Land 

 

 

The Law of this Land called Australia includes the refugee Convention .

It is not unlawful to seek  Asylum by boat or plane ,with or without papers

 

Hate speech and discrimination however are unlawful 


Hate speech?? obviously a calm reasoned post outlining many points in this debate is not worth a comment but calling the racist card is yours.

 

I will not respond to you in the future, I thought we may have had a civil debate but how wrong can one be. Your left bias against any other opinion is a kind of political racism that is most unattractive in any body.

 

Many others see this from you as well.

It's a real insight that some can't understand your point, Iza.

Did you know babies of refugees aren't permitted birth certificates? They're known by the number of their mother's boat...just another policy that dehumanises these people.
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Silverfaun: I was posting about what is criminal and what isn't .I gave some examples of what isn't lawful in our Country .I'm sorry that you see our Country's Laws as leftie .

 

 

 

Karen, I read a letter which was published ..I think it was from a nurse who worked in one of the centres 

From that if it is correct ...it isn't always only the babies who are referred to by number.

She found it hard as is understandable 

 

this is it 

 

 

My experience as a nurse on Christmas Island changed the core of my being

Working with asylum seekers as a mental health nurse has transformed me and challenged my ethics, but I am proud to have shown compassion to people with unbearably tragic stories
 
 

Last year I joined a company contracted to provide healthcare to asylum seekers. I made the jump from my old job with hopes of adventure and challenges which would not only make me a better nurse, but also a better person. Little did I know how much it would change the core of my being.

 

I first worked on Christmas Island as a mental health nurse. It was a real culture shock. I had always referred to the people I cared for as "patients", now I had to learn to call them "clients". I was quick to realise that the clients were often not even called by their names – they were instead called by the boat number displayed on their photo ID card, which had to remain on them at all times. "673/RYB/039!". The practice reminded me of stories from concentration camps in the second world war.

 

Things got worse as I took on other responsibilities across the island. One of the saddest places I worked at was referred to as "the induction shed". This is where asylum seekers are first led to after stepping onto the island's jetty. Once there they sit and wait, sometimes for hours, without any food or water. Once the bureaucratic paperwork is completed, and after they've answered questions by the department of immigration and signed consent forms, they're sent to meet someone like me.

 

As a mental health nurse, I would ask a series of questions outlined for us by the immigration department. These forms often asked unnecessary questions and avoided vital ones – we were told to "stick to the script". Time is of the essence, so we had to mill through the clients as quickly as possible.

 

It was there that I heard some of the most horrific and tragic of stories. Every day, I would be reminded of how evil humans can be to one another. I talked to a young Afghan man who was a Hazara ethnic minority. He has fled his country after a home invasion, where he witnessed his brother and father being murdered in front of him.

read more:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/21/my-experience-as-a-nurse-on-christmas-island-ch...

 

SMH  Jan 8

"Most Australians think asylum seekers who arrive by boat are not genuine refugees and there is strong support for the Abbott government to treat boat arrivals more harshly.

A nationwide opinion poll by UMR Research shows that 59 per cent of people think most boat arrivals are not genuine refugees.

The poll, based on a nationally representative sample of 1000 online interviews, shows only 30 per cent of Australians believe that most asylum seekers are genuine refugees while 12 per cent are unsure.

A strong majority of Australians, 60 per cent, also want the Abbott government to “increase the severity of the treatment of asylum seekers.

 

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