Boat arrivals

[*crikey*mate*]

Have any unauthorized boats carrying people with the intent to seek asylum in Australia arrived in the past few weeks?

[polksaladallie]

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@just_me_karen wrote:
Yes I've seen the results of missionary work, Crikey. It's really sad, seeing how the patronising attitudes can wipe out the cultural pride of indigenous peoples. For example, thinking that Australian western education has more credence than theirs...and the assumption that success can only be measured by comparing behaviours to western outcomes. So sad, IMO.

Then they leave and the end begins.

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I agree, and images like this are so distressing to me.

Not to mention " Bible rice" which one charity is known for distributing.  

[donnashuggy]

well then, why wouldn't you pay to put them on a plane?

Obviously I would if they could obtain a visa.

[just_me_karen]

Awful photo, so sad.

I just wasted time listening to a sermon by the managing director of that missionary charity. He talked about comparing the refugee kids with their results in Christian education and bringing them to Australia to be blessed by hillsong pastors ..OMG...and to test how they compare with our superior education. Poor little mites, growing up with the soul destroying comparisons of patronising, evangelical preachers 😞

[debra9275]

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@izabsmiling wrote:

How much could the thousands spent on airfares to go 'gawk' and gain bragging points ... help these people and others in need ?

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I thought you raised a very good point there Iza

[***super_nova***]

Saw Morrison on 7.30; when asked how many boats and people arrived since the start of' operation sovereign borders' he replied "20 boats with 1100 people".

[colic2bullsgirlore]

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/01/13/moeldoko-s-boatpeople-clinker-recalcitrant-nescient-or...

" Diplomatic notes of notification would be sent to Jakarta just before a turn-back. A non-response, or a delayed one, was regarded by Canberra as consent.

As Howard’s former foreign minister, Alexander Downer, recently explained in The Advertiser, the boats would be “towed to the edge of Indonesia’s territorial waters under Operation Relex, 19 kilometers from the Indonesian coast”.

Hence, we can understand why Prime Minister Tony Abbott remained gleeful about the bilateral cooperation on boatpeople as “evidenced by the discussion that seemed to have taken place between Gen. Moeldoko and our own Gen. Hurley not long ago”.

There are also questions of legality binding Australia, which Moeldoko’s statement of “understanding” may have unintentionally waived.

The question is where Australia is intercepting these boats.

Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, Australia can only stop boats within its territorial and contiguous zones (24 nautical miles from the Australian shore). It cannot board vessels outside this area without permission.

International obligations also forbid unseaworthy vessels to be cast to their fate.

So if these boats are being intercepted outside of Australian waters, how can Australian patrols then board them, determine their seaworthiness, and decide the refugee status of passengers?

Furthermore, as a signatory to UN conventions on refugees, Australia must adhere to the principle of non-refoulement, which entails avoiding sending people to countries that do not acknowledge legal refugee status, such as Indonesia.

Canberra has, unsurprisingly, again looked to its Big Brother, the United States, as an example in its turning away of boats from Cuba. But Washington is not a signatory of many maritime international norms that Canberra has ceded to.

As the diplomatic wrangle trudges along and the legal interpretations vary, Indonesia needs to settle its own tangled self with less nescience if it really wants to be taken seriously by Australia. "

[donnashuggy]

20 boats? And the rest

[silverfaun]

Having nothing against immigrants & the wonderful people they can be who left their homelands & chose to immigrate to Australia for a better life, they are now the people who are most upset at the criminal rorting of illegal immigration that was left unfettered under Labor for 6 years & has resulted in deaths & misery for thousands.

Where was the outrage from the left supporters when our national sovriengity was breached for 6 years  & thousands poured in after making the decision to sell up & get to Australia at the behest of relatives already here. 

Where was the outrage that these people who are economic refugees, have no regard for the law of the land in just jettisoning all id & lying to officials to gain the golden pass at the expense of others who are rotting in putrid camps elsewhere.

Australia is a very generous people & welcome newcomers & have done so historically for decades.

What has angered many is the outright lies Labor originally told when they started the avalanche of boats, every day they went in front of the cameras & lied to Australians.

Then they completely lost control & the criminal people smugglers aided & abetted by their "Clients" went all out hell for leather at all cost to breach our borders.

If, we are seeing the results of Labor's failure in protecting the country from an all out invasion then so be it. The resentment & disappointment of these "Clients" of criminal  human traffickers  are in a situation they readily paid for & took the chance that our government would never have the guts to do anything about it.

Europe is groaning under the unlawful immigration of millions looking for a better lifestyle & many countries are now in so much debt & trouble they are quickly changing their laws (the UK for one) to stop this.

They have now become a country that has no real identity left, ghettoe's of ethnic groups & riots & welfare that is ruining the country.

We want immigrants in this country but we don't want what has happened to so many European countries who are now desperate to regain their own country & identity back.

[izabsmiling]

Silverfun:thousands poured in after making the decision to sell up & get to Australia at the behest of relatives already here. 

my ancestors did that ...starting from around the 1850's 

some had already previously done that (or escaped persecution,famine,disease etc) in other Countries 'before' coming to this Country .

and  going way back I have some on my tree who changed their names and made them less Jewish...more British 

[silverfaun]

Did they flee from wartorn Europe because that's what the refugee convention was originally created for. For the millions of displaced peoples after WW2.

Many countries refused to sign it even up to the present. The UNHCR industry has now so corrupted the system that many countries will never sign it.

My ancestors came by sailing ship , immigrated, paid for their fare. It was a nightmare trip & many died before they reached land. They never saw their relatives again because of the trip & the money needed to get here.

I am happy for any immigration to this country, always have been, but lets call what's happening now for what it is, Bob Carr had no trouble calling it when most of Australians already knew.

The lying of Labor for 6 years about what was happening is something that will never be forgotten. Labor is to blame now for the animosity of many for what happened & is still happening but now being slowed by the govt policies & the will to carry it through.

Trying to blackmail Australia into accepting them by any means is not going to happen because we have all seen the disaster that happened when even a small concession is made, the criminal smugglers then have another product to sell.