on 23-09-2018 10:43 AM
Melbourne Storm chief vows to fight suspension and give Billy Slater his grand final swansong
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-23/storm-boss-fight-suspension-billy-slater-grand-final/10295652
now i dont have any interest in rugby, however i do have an interest when clubs start using lawyers and courts to overturn penalties for indescretions on the field of play.
i'm pretty sure when the Storm joined the competition they agreed to obey by the rules of the game.
ALL OF THE RULES!
we are seeing time and again clubs and individuals saying 'screw the rules, you must decide in our favour or we will sue!'
would this even be a story had mr slater done his shoulder charge in round 1 and got the same penalty?
my guess is NO.
a transgression of the rules is the same in round 1 as the last game prior to the grand final.
the penalty should also be the same and be accepted by all.
similar to the AFL, fans of the game are losing faith that its 1 rule for all.
in the SANFL today we have a team that blatantly cheated who are still playing in the grand final!
no one is arguing they had an advantage by having and extra player on the ground for a period of time, a transgression of a basic rule!
but do we do the right thing and disqualify them from the grand final?
no, we dont.
thats just not cricket in my opinion.
on 23-09-2018 11:05 AM
The roosters had one of their best players on the bench last night
for a suspect tackle - he will return in time to play in the GF - they
look like losing Cooper Cronk for the GF due to a late tackle and
a wrecked shoulder - I agree Billy Slater is guilty of a shoulder
charge - a rule is a rule no black and white he used his shoulder
to impede the run of play - I say bad luck Billy have a happy
retirement you have been a mighty player but no sour grapes
take your penalty with dignity.
on 23-09-2018 12:23 PM
I understand your point of view David, but the issue is a little more complex.
Slater has been charged and is entitled to representation when he defends himself,
just as you and I would be. The club's lawyers will present a defence and a number
of issues will be taken into consideration. For example, whether the shoulder charge
was with intent, reckless and without consideration of the other player's safety. Slater
will also be provided the opportunity to state the alternatives he had at the time, while
charging at top speed to try and prevent a try. He is also entitled to protect himself from
possible injury.
Thank goodness the judiciary is sensible and will weigh up the evidence before ruling
on the charge. It would be a pretty sad world if our sports persons were not entitled
to reasonable justice and just had to cop the judgements of ruling bodies without
the opportunity to defend themselves.
on 23-09-2018 12:39 PM
How can you defend what was clearly the use of his shoulder
to impede the player from scoring a try - he didn't attempt to
tackle him - he used his shoulder.
on 23-09-2018 12:53 PM
@freddie*rooster wrote:How can you defend what was clearly the use of his shoulder
to impede the player from scoring a try - he didn't attempt to
tackle him - he used his shoulder.
Well that's what was clear to you. But Slater will be provided the
opportunity to defend his action and that is his right, irrespective
of opinions.
on 23-09-2018 01:03 PM
Not much he can say in his defence when it was clearly
evident he used a shoulder charge to defend the line -
sure he has the right of defence - it will be interesting
to see what he comes up with - and I hope the judgement
won't be lenient based on it being his last game due to his
impending retirement.
on 23-09-2018 01:21 PM
I completely agree with you about the final judgement. I am
completely split on this issue.
On the one hand I don't know enough about the hearing process
and the factors that will be taken into consideration. But I do hope the
process is fair.
On the other hand I am a big Slater fan and think it would be sad if he
were to end his career with a suspension. But more importantly I would
be upset if he were given special treatment because of who he is. I am
placing my faith in the system to deliver a fair and correct outcome.
Whatever happens, some people will cry foul which is understandable.
This is one occasion though where I, within myself, will try and accept
the umpire's decision, no matter what.
on 23-09-2018 03:51 PM
@not_for_sale2024 wrote:
I understand your point of view David, but the issue is a little more complex.
Slater has been charged and is entitled to representation when he defends himself,
just as you and I would be. The club's lawyers will present a defence and a number
of issues will be taken into consideration. For example, whether the shoulder charge
was with intent, reckless and without consideration of the other player's safety. Slater
will also be provided the opportunity to state the alternatives he had at the time, while
charging at top speed to try and prevent a try. He is also entitled to protect himself from
possible injury.
Thank goodness the judiciary is sensible and will weigh up the evidence before ruling
on the charge. It would be a pretty sad world if our sports persons were not entitled
to reasonable justice and just had to cop the judgements of ruling bodies without
the opportunity to defend themselves.
They do get to defend themselves, every code has its disiplinary board who hears cases of 'aledged' offences.
umpires are called to give evidence, players are called to give evidence and players have 'lawyers'
what i'm complaining about is how often when the player is found guilty and given a penalty their club decides it wont accept that penalty and brings in 'the big guns' even to the point of taking matters to a real court!
my view is your part of a sport, you play under that sports rules and obey the decisions of the disiplinary board.
if you have a problem with punishments dished out you take it to 'board level'
but too often its bugga the rules, bugga the game, change the penalty because our player is a nice guy, has never dont it before and is really sorry, omg you want him to miss a grand final!
NO, just want him to play fair and when he doesnt take the penalty without complaining.
on 23-09-2018 03:57 PM
@not_for_sale2024 wrote:
I completely agree with you about the final judgement. I am
completely split on this issue.
On the one hand I don't know enough about the hearing process
and the factors that will be taken into consideration. But I do hope the
process is fair.
On the other hand I am a big Slater fan and think it would be sad if he
were to end his career with a suspension. But more importantly I would
be upset if he were given special treatment because of who he is. I am
placing my faith in the system to deliver a fair and correct outcome.
Whatever happens, some people will cry foul which is understandable.
This is one occasion though where I, within myself, will try and accept
the umpire's decision, no matter what.
as i said, it should make no difference when a player does something wrong, round 1 or the last game prior to the GF, same penalty.
not, its billy slater give him a break.
no he'll miss the GF give him a break
no its his last game give him a break.
i know nothing about billy slater, i just know he did something against the rules and if found guilty (and its pretty hard to argue video evidence) should be penalised exactly the same as any other player in any other game during the season.
if that means missing a GF well thats tough but thats the rules.