Bondi Junction massacre

Approx 4.30pm a lone male went and stabbed 6 people to death at Bondi Junction shopping mall yesterday:-(

 

Another day to remember but for all the wrong reasons. What would make someone do this?

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As Dom pointed out my mistake in saying she suffered schizophrenia🤐

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Severe mental halth issues, I would guess.

From what I am reading, the man was 'known to police.'

So this didn't come entirely out of the blue. Obviously no one expected him to do what he did, but he was on the radar.

Sometimes I think we have too many seriously mentally ill people walking around free.

 

At least the police woman who shot him hasn't had to face investigations etc

 

A few years back, I was on another board when a police officer shot a man/teen with a machete. Someone who had run through a shopping centre threatening people then ran at a police officer with it when confronted. And half the people on the board were saying the police officer should be sacked, no need to shoot anyone who 'only' had a knife, unfair etc

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The Yanks are out in force over this. "Maybe you need to tighten your gun laws a bit more to prevent this". "Glad you have such tight gun laws. They really helped in this situation". It's because we have such strict gun laws that only 6 people died, and not 60 or 600, or even 6,000. With an automatic weapon, he could have wiped out half the shopping centre in the space of a few minutes.

 

Some reports in the news say people were saying he appeared to be heavily intoxicated with drugs, or something. Of course that's hearsay, but it would certainly make sense. Thankfully the maniac is dead. At least the families of the victims won't have to go through months of court battles, only for the maniac to get off because he has mental health issues, or was under the influence of drugs.

 

So many people yesterday showed the true Aussie spirit. Thinking of others before themselves. Instead of running for their lives, they tried so hard to help others, and ward off the crazy man. There were many heroes yesterday, including that amazing police woman.

 

R.I.P to those that lost their lives yesterday. This time yesterday, they didn't know that was to be their last day. So sad for those left behind. I hope the other injured make a full recovery and get any help needed to recover mentally.

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@*sons_n_daughters* wrote:

The Yanks are out in force over this. "Maybe you need to tighten your gun laws a bit more to prevent this". "Glad you have such tight gun laws. They really helped in this situation". It's because we have such strict gun laws that only 6 people died, and not 60 or 600, or even 6,000. With an automatic weapon, he could have wiped out half the shopping centre in the space of a few minutes.

 


I was thinking the same thing. Obviously a lot of harm can be done with a knife, a bat, a chisel, a hammer, you name it.

But a gun is made for one purpose only, to kill effectively. And from a distance.

 

I can always recall an American on one of the forums saying the advantage of guns was members of the public had them and could shoot down a killer etc

Imagine the chaos if we had bullets ricocheting everywhere.

 

Knives can kill but guns can kill quicker. We are extremely lucky guns aren't as easy to come by.

 

 

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Overwhelmingly awful - I felt especially horrified at the stabbing of the baby, and the news that her mother, also stabbed, has died in hospital.

 

If this murderer was using drugs in addition to having a mental condition, to me that is an aggravation, not an excuse. At this stage we don’t know… so like everyone else I’m sad, appalled, and wanting to know why this man did what he did.

 

Hats off to the very brave police officer who acted as necessary to prevent further attacks. 

Everyone who has lost a loved one in this senseless brutal attack - we can only imagine the hell of their shock and first sharp grief as they try to process what’s occurred.

 

 

A better solution is needed. Anyone whose mental condition is so unstable - stop them categorically from use of illicit drugs; stop giving free passes; treat them adequately; long-term, we need strategies to prevent such issues where they can be prevented (foetal alcohol syndrome is preventable, for instance…)

 

All the rhetoric in the world, the political phrases, the granting of bail on mental health grounds without any addressing of the real danger and need for immediate protections - all of the blah… how powerless it is.

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@*sons_n_daughters* wrote:

The Yanks are out in force over this. "Maybe you need to tighten your gun laws a bit more to prevent this". "Glad you have such tight gun laws. They really helped in this situation". It's because we have such strict gun laws that only 6 people died, and not 60 or 600, or even 6,000. With an automatic weapon, he could have wiped out half the shopping centre in the space of a few minutes.

 


I was thinking the same thing. Obviously a lot of harm can be done with a knife, a bat, a chisel, a hammer, you name it.

But a gun is made for one purpose only, to kill effectively. And from a distance.

 

I can always recall an American on one of the forums saying the advantage of guns was members of the public had them and could shoot down a killer etc

Imagine the chaos if we had bullets ricocheting everywhere.

 

Knives can kill but guns can kill quicker. We are extremely lucky guns aren't as easy to come by.

 

 


Except, they don't. Reason being, the loonie has walked in with an automatic rifle and started shooting at anything that moved. They can easily mow down 20 people in under 5 seconds. The members of the public don't have time to get their gun out and try and kill the shooter. They are usually dead before getting the chance.

 

Of all the mass shootings in the US, how many do you hear of where the killer was taken out by a member of the public? Very few, if any. They are no safer than you or me. Yet, they think they feel safe by being able to carry. I've given up trying to argue with them. It's pointless. They are brainwashed, and nothing is going to change it.

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Like any addiction 

 

Zero logic to their 'argument' 

 

Disgusting such a large portion of the news last night was focused on this POS

 

Of course the 'mental illness' excuse which is used every single time someone does something . Always, always 'they were mentally ill'

 

Why then was this 'thing' allowed to move from QLD to NSW in the first place, if they were that 'mentally ill', drug addled, known to police, known obsession with guns and knives, why, why why were they permitted to move to another state

 

Mind you, they were 'with it' enough to avoid taken on people bigger than they were, to mostly target woman and a baby

 

Coward grub and nothing more

 

Does not deserve to have a name or the attention 

 

Focus on the victims, first responders, hero bystanders, family and friends 

 

That nobody piece of filth can rot in h**l 

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Overwhelmingly awful - I felt especially horrified at the stabbing of the baby, and the news that her mother, also stabbed, has died in hospital.

 

If this murderer was using drugs in addition to having a mental condition, to me that is an aggravation, not an excuse. At this stage we don’t know… so like everyone else I’m sad, appalled, and wanting to know why this man did what he did.

 

Hats off to the very brave police officer who acted as necessary to prevent further attacks. 

Everyone who has lost a loved one in this senseless brutal attack - we can only imagine the hell of their shock and first sharp grief as they try to process what’s occurred.

 

 

A better solution is needed. Anyone whose mental condition is so unstable - stop them categorically from use of illicit drugs; stop giving free passes; treat them adequately; long-term, we need strategies to prevent such issues where they can be prevented (foetal alcohol syndrome is preventable, for instance…)

 

All the rhetoric in the world, the political phrases, the granting of bail on mental health grounds without any addressing of the real danger and need for immediate protections - all of the blah… how powerless it is.


"  and wanting to know why this man did what he did. "

While we will never know why this man did what he did, our completely failed mental health and social services systems ( due to lack of financial resources ) is undoubtably a contributing factor.

 

* People with psychiatric conditions are rarely diagnosed until adulthood, due to changes in the brain of growing adolescents presenting different symptoms at different ages.

 

* There is also a reluctance to " brand " a child or adolescent with a significant, permanent psychiatric condition  as a youth. This means there is very little help or education available, designed to treat the specific condition until the person reaches adulthood. By then the person is already badly damaged by their own condition and rejection from society meaning they often lose contact with the medical system and may not ever receive a diagnosis or treatment for their condition.

 

* Many people with psychiatric conditions are rejected by their families, schools and society due to extreme behaviours and end up without the normal basic support mechanisms that most people take for granted. We know this man was estranged from his family.

 

* People with psychiatric conditions are " known to police " . This means they are regularly targetted for " street stops " or searches and questioning when they are simply walking to the shops or bus stop. If they drive they will be " flagged in the system, stopped and searched, often resulting in their cars ( which they sometimes live in ) being defected etc. 

 " This can escalate if the person becomes agitated resulting in arrest, the start of criminal records ( resisting arrest ) court appearances and unfortunately all to often " use of excessive force " .............code for police bashings while being arrested or later in the cells. .......Yes it happens regularly to these people .......they dont have the resources to challenge police brutality.

 

* They also lack the skills to manage their personal affairs and regularly live in unstable, unsafe accommodation or experience homelessness. This also results in minor crime such as shop lifting food etc. Again ingraining interactions with police.

 

* Due to rejection by mainstream society mentally unstable people are only socially accepted by other very vulnerable / damaged people. These associations entrench issues such as communal alcohol and drug use, violence etc.

 

* Due to their vulnerable existence and rejection from society people with psychiatric conditions often have to be extremely reactive and aggressive just to survive. Its a very dangerous world they live in. This is particularly so for young woman who regularly face abuse. They often need to be more volatile, aggressive and violent than young men, just to stay safe.  

 

* There appears to be much less research directed towards psychiatric medication and medical intervention than other conditions. The medical system is still using drugs developed in the 1960's and 70's and electric shop therapy to treat common conditions. These often have major side effects meaning vulnerable people simply dont use them, self medicating with illegal street drugs which often have sedative effects such as marijuana.

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Mental illness is very real, but the way we deal with it is inadequate.

I am of the opinion that at this stage, we are unable to cure some severe forms of mental illness.

Apparently in some states and with some offenders, the offender has to go to a police station and take their prescribed drugs for the day in front of officers, because with appropriate medication, a lot of these people can lead better lives. But if you leave them to their own devices, some schizophrenics will believe there is nothing wrong with them and just stop any medication.

 

So you're right, this man should not have been free to wander, or at least he may have needed to be under closer supervision. 

 

I think there are massive gaps in our treatment of the mentally ill. (maybe for our physically ill too). 

And I read that this man was signed up at several agencies as a male escort! Doesn't that make your blood run cold, it is the stuff of horror films. What sort of vetting do these agencies do?

 

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