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[icyfroth]

Australia PM rules out leniency for ex-jihadists

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has ruled out any leniency for returning jihadists following reports that three of its nationals suspected of fighting with Islamic State were in secret negotiations with Canberra to come home.

The Australian newspaper said the three had approached authorities via intermediaries or family members, but that the talks were stalled over what punishment they would face and fears of the risk they might pose if they were reissued passports and allowed to return.

The news has sparked a fierce debate in Australia about whether or not to allow those who have left the country to fight with ISIS or other groups to return. The public and the government appear to be in lockstep in their opposition to the idea.

A lawyer representing one of the three Australian men told Fairfax radio that his client, an Australian-born convert to Islam, was prepared to face the full force of the law and wanted to use his experience to discourage would-be jihadists from joining the terror group.

 Rob Stary said if he were capable of rehabilitation, "then we should utilise him, we should at least engage in the discussion, but the shutters have been put up by the (Australian Federal Police)".

Entire Article Here

Oh he wants to use his experience to counsel would-be-jihadists against joining ISIL, does he?

How do we know he's not a Trojan Horse and instead is instructed to recruit fresh meat?

[idlewhile]

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@am*3 wrote:

Does Abbott even know what he is talking a out most of the time?

No charges for suspected foreign fighters Matthew Gardiner and George Khamis

Two Australian residents suspected of travelling to the Middle East to assist in the battle against Islamic State have not been charged with any offences weeks after returning to Australia.

Tough new laws passed by Parliament last year, which include life sentences for those who participate in hostile activities overseas, were drafted to apply equally to those on all sides of foreign conflicts.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has said that anyone who returns to Australia after becoming a foreign fighter will be arrested and charged, after reports emerged that three Australians who joined IS in Syria or Iraq are in talks with the government about potentially returning home.

"A crime is a crime is a crime," Mr Abbott said.

"If you go abroad to break Australian law, if you go abroad to kill innocent people in the name of misguided fundamental extremism, if you go abroad to be an Islamist killer, well we are hardly going to welcome you back into this country."

Former Northern Territory Labor official Matthew Gardiner, who reportedly travelled overseas to help Kurdish forces fight IS militants, returned to Australia in early April. Mr Gardiner, who was deployed to Somalia in the 1990s with the Australian Army, was questioned by police upon his return before being released without charge. He has refused to comment publicly on why he travelled to Syria.

Melbourne father of two George Khamis​ returned to Australia in March after travelling to Iraq to join an Assyrian militia group, Dwekh Nawsha. Mr Khamis allowed Channel Seven's Sunday Night to interview him while he was in Iraq about his mission.

Mr Khamis was also questioned at the airport and released without charge.

SMH

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"If you go abroad to break Australian law, if you go abroad to kill innocent people in the name of misguided fundamental extremism, if you go abroad to be an Islamist killer, well we are hardly going to welcome you back into this country."

This is what he said and this is acceptable to millions of Australians who support what the PM is doing to protect our country.

no clothes....again

[idlewhile]

[gleee58]

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@idlewhile wrote:

Obviously they were not jihadis, did not join the death cult of isis, did not participate in head whacking and all the other atrocities, they were actually fighting against ISIS, in my opinion along with and many, many other Australians,  they should be given a medal.

Good on them.

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You opinion is not the legislation that was introduced though. They did say that the law would apply equally to all who went overseas to fight, regardless of which side they joined.

[idlewhile]

The gov has the prerogative to do what is in the best interest of the country and Australia as A Whole, regardless of the confected outrage of the left.

The majority of sensible, decent Australian people are more than happy with the govt's actions on this so far.

The only one's who will nit pick and moan is from the left, the left who whinged so much that a govt had to bring a terrorist home (Hicks) to spread his hate for all things not of the left. Bet you're all happy with that?,  why wouldn't you be?  the left bankrolled all the legal help and galvanised all the protests purely to damage Howard.

But hey, according to you and many others of the left the PM is just beating up the terror fear to get votes, there's nothing to really worry about according to you and your fellow travellers.

[cherry*135]

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@idlewhile wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

Does Abbott even know what he is talking a out most of the time?

No charges for suspected foreign fighters Matthew Gardiner and George Khamis

Two Australian residents suspected of travelling to the Middle East to assist in the battle against Islamic State have not been charged with any offences weeks after returning to Australia.

Tough new laws passed by Parliament last year, which include life sentences for those who participate in hostile activities overseas, were drafted to apply equally to those on all sides of foreign conflicts.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has said that anyone who returns to Australia after becoming a foreign fighter will be arrested and charged, after reports emerged that three Australians who joined IS in Syria or Iraq are in talks with the government about potentially returning home.

"A crime is a crime is a crime," Mr Abbott said.

"If you go abroad to break Australian law, if you go abroad to kill innocent people in the name of misguided fundamental extremism, if you go abroad to be an Islamist killer, well we are hardly going to welcome you back into this country."

Former Northern Territory Labor official Matthew Gardiner, who reportedly travelled overseas to help Kurdish forces fight IS militants, returned to Australia in early April. Mr Gardiner, who was deployed to Somalia in the 1990s with the Australian Army, was questioned by police upon his return before being released without charge. He has refused to comment publicly on why he travelled to Syria.

Melbourne father of two George Khamis​ returned to Australia in March after travelling to Iraq to join an Assyrian militia group, Dwekh Nawsha. Mr Khamis allowed Channel Seven's Sunday Night to interview him while he was in Iraq about his mission.

Mr Khamis was also questioned at the airport and released without charge.

SMH

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"If you go abroad to break Australian law, if you go abroad to kill innocent people in the name of misguided fundamental extremism, if you go abroad to be an Islamist killer, well we are hardly going to welcome you back into this country."

This is what he said and this is acceptable to millions of Australians who support what the PM is doing to protect our country.

no clothes....again

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Comprehension issues?

Read the sentence in red, in my post. Which is also the point of the articke - Govt not doing what it said it was going to do.

[gleee58]

Is it possible to have a conversation without all the generalised attacks, assumptions and abuse?

[cherry*135]

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@idlewhile wrote:

The majority of sensible, decent Australian people are more than happy with the govt's actions on this so far.

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Opinions aren't facts.

The above opinion is not fact.

[*mrgrizz*]

so much political correctness.............who are you scared to offend?

now lets call a spade a spade. i don't want them back. in fact i hope they are taken out by the next bombing raid

[li.varia]

Hi everyone,

Please keep discussions on topic and be civil to one another.

Regards,

Varia

Community Moderator

[cherry*135]

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@*mrgrizz* wrote:

so much political correctness.............who are you scared to offend?

now lets call a spade a spade. i don't want them back. in fact i hope they are taken out by the next bombing raid

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I was commenting on Govt policy, new laws only (not agreeing or disagreeing with them).

Now a new law they haven't even enforced, which they claimed they would do.

Tough new laws passed by Parliament last year, which include life sentences for those who participate in hostile activities overseas,were drafted to apply equally to those on all sides of foreign conflicts.

No charges for suspected foreign fighters Matthew Gardiner and George Khamis

Australia has to take them back if they are Australian citizens don't they? The person would be 'stateless' if Aust refused them entry. Why should other countries have to take Australia's unwanted?