16-08-2020 07:48 PM - edited 16-08-2020 07:52 PM
Hi eBay community,
Basically, I started to sell some items on eBay from this year. And I have encountered my first return request from a buyer today, but it is kind of strange. I have listed an Air Jordan 1 Sneaker in brand new condition. And a buyer bought it, and before I send it, I have provided everything to the buyer including proof of purchase, order confirmations, bank transactions, and details of the shoes in differnt views. Buyer has received shoes on Friday, and today the buyer just request the refund to say the shoe is not authentic without any supoortted information. Just the word to say not authentic. But I could be ensure that my shoes are 100% authentic which are purchased from an authentic Nike retalier sneaker store. And I asked buyer for more information, the buyer also did not reply me anything. And I could accept return if its for other reasons such as damaged, worned, etc. since it would be my fault. But not for this unauthentic reason without any supporting evidence. But I just worry about that the buyer would maybe send back the fake pair for the return. I belive this situation usually happend in the sneaker market for some scammer. What should I do for this scenario?
Thx a lot for your guys!and sorry for the inconvenience.
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16-08-2020 09:34 PM - edited 16-08-2020 09:36 PM
@OP (because that name is not one that trips off the tongue or is readily typed),
If you have the receipt from an authorised reseller of Nike shoes, it could be worth your contacting eBay CS via chat, and stating that you have the actual receipt from an authorised reseller. Explain that on that basis, it would not be correct for eBay to force you to accept a return, particularly as you are worried that the buyer may do a switcheroo.
Ask if you can email a scanned copy of the receipt to the rep. Ask also if, having received it, the rep would be prepared to close the return request on the basis of this being a fraudulent claim.
eBay's Report an issue with a buyer help page states:
❝When to report a buyer
You should only report a buyer if you think they're violating our policies. Here are a few examples of when to report a buyer:
Reporting the buyer is as simple as clicking a button, choosing the relevant item number, and outlining clearly what the behaviour is, and which policy or policies you believe it breaches. (I suggest in point form to avoid getting carried away with writing a three-act tragedy - oh, how well I know the three-act tragedy temptation!)
This is the Abusive buyer policy . Buyers whose behaviour demonstrates breaches as covered in this policy can be reported and it should have an impact on any decision made with a particular returns/refund case.
Specifically, this is the sort of breach that you allege is occurring:
❝Behaviours we don't allow
[...]
(Rubrication mine.)
However, do not allow the eBay CS rep to escalate the claim/dispute unless you have in writing that they will find in your favour, automatically closing the dispute or words to that effect.
The retail shop from which you seem to have purchased these is certainly an authorised seller. F**tl*cker do, however, have these listed on their online shop for less than half of the price for which you listed them. It is entirely possible that the buyer kicked him/herself after seeing that; the number of people who compare prices AFTER buying something is surprisingly large.
You can put it to the CS rep that this gives the buyer motive for wanting to return the items for a full refund by misusing the eBay Money Back Guarantee with a fraudulent claim of "not authenitc". Wanting to return an item because the buyer found it cheaper elsewhere is not a reason for initiating a SNAD return. It's classed as a change of mind return, and you have stipulated "no returns" (which means no change of mind returns) in your listing, so the buyer's options are to
a) suck it up, or
b) make a false claim.
Bear in mind that when communicating with eBay CS staff, you must be polite, persistent, and patient.
Best of luck.
16-08-2020 07:54 PM - edited 16-08-2020 07:58 PM
If it is a formal return case then provide a return label with tracking to the buyer via email.
And upload the tracking info into the case.
Once you receive the item back, then refund.
Don't ask ebay to step in or buyer will automatically get refund and keep item.
The only way to know if the item coming back is the same is if there was a mark somewhere you knew about.
Even if you were to mark sneakers, the eBay system doesn't allow for that kind of protection.
on 16-08-2020 07:57 PM
Thx a lot, as I also have a no return policy for this item on my listing. So, this no return policy makes no sense actually if buyer choose unauthentic reason for return, right?
16-08-2020 07:59 PM - edited 16-08-2020 08:01 PM
All sellers on eBay are required to offer returns if the item is not as described or faulty.
The No returns you can select in eBay listings is for change of mind or buyer error returns only.
In your case the buyer is saying it is not as described.
He may be lying of course but not much you can do except accept the return and hope he sends the same item back to you.
16-08-2020 09:34 PM - edited 16-08-2020 09:36 PM
@OP (because that name is not one that trips off the tongue or is readily typed),
If you have the receipt from an authorised reseller of Nike shoes, it could be worth your contacting eBay CS via chat, and stating that you have the actual receipt from an authorised reseller. Explain that on that basis, it would not be correct for eBay to force you to accept a return, particularly as you are worried that the buyer may do a switcheroo.
Ask if you can email a scanned copy of the receipt to the rep. Ask also if, having received it, the rep would be prepared to close the return request on the basis of this being a fraudulent claim.
eBay's Report an issue with a buyer help page states:
❝When to report a buyer
You should only report a buyer if you think they're violating our policies. Here are a few examples of when to report a buyer:
Reporting the buyer is as simple as clicking a button, choosing the relevant item number, and outlining clearly what the behaviour is, and which policy or policies you believe it breaches. (I suggest in point form to avoid getting carried away with writing a three-act tragedy - oh, how well I know the three-act tragedy temptation!)
This is the Abusive buyer policy . Buyers whose behaviour demonstrates breaches as covered in this policy can be reported and it should have an impact on any decision made with a particular returns/refund case.
Specifically, this is the sort of breach that you allege is occurring:
❝Behaviours we don't allow
[...]
(Rubrication mine.)
However, do not allow the eBay CS rep to escalate the claim/dispute unless you have in writing that they will find in your favour, automatically closing the dispute or words to that effect.
The retail shop from which you seem to have purchased these is certainly an authorised seller. F**tl*cker do, however, have these listed on their online shop for less than half of the price for which you listed them. It is entirely possible that the buyer kicked him/herself after seeing that; the number of people who compare prices AFTER buying something is surprisingly large.
You can put it to the CS rep that this gives the buyer motive for wanting to return the items for a full refund by misusing the eBay Money Back Guarantee with a fraudulent claim of "not authenitc". Wanting to return an item because the buyer found it cheaper elsewhere is not a reason for initiating a SNAD return. It's classed as a change of mind return, and you have stipulated "no returns" (which means no change of mind returns) in your listing, so the buyer's options are to
a) suck it up, or
b) make a false claim.
Bear in mind that when communicating with eBay CS staff, you must be polite, persistent, and patient.
Best of luck.
on 16-08-2020 10:36 PM
Thx so much! Your answer will be definitely a help. I have provided everything needed for the shoes. And just contacted the buyer, the buyer said his/her friend found it not authentic without any photos or other stronger evidence. But I have everything, that makes me feel confused. Might think he might be scammer or misuse of return. I will talk to eBay CS tmr. Thx mate, thx so much! You helped me a lot! Good night and stay safe!
on 17-08-2020 03:18 PM
Hi mate,
Sorry to bother you and good afternoon. I have contacted with eBay CS team, and told them something you told me to do. But they told me in this stage they cannot take any actions till 20 Aug. So, is it a normal process? The only thing they told me is to communicate with buyer.
Hope you have a good day!
Regards
on 17-08-2020 03:30 PM
on 17-08-2020 04:35 PM
yes, 20 Aug is the date the request will come to be escalated.
Thx for your information, I will keep trying for that to get the commitment for favour! Thx a lot
17-08-2020 11:40 PM - edited 17-08-2020 11:41 PM
I want to reiterate to you that you DO NOT WANT TO ASK EBAY TO ESCALATE THE CASE - unless you can be sure that the case will immediately close in your favour.
If the case is escalated, it is almost always in the buyer's favour.
For the same reason, you want to avoid having the buyer escalate.
In order to avoid the dispute going in the buyer's favour, you will need to keep on contacting eBay CS reps via chat with all of the information, politely explaining the situation in point form, and politely asking that the case be closed in your favour.
You will want a CS rep who will follow your argument and accept the points that you are making, rather than one who just reads from a cue card and quotes the usual procedure or pieces of policy.
I believe that you can ask to speak to a supervisor or claims specialist; however, I can't verify this as I've never had to do so.
The explanation/request should proceed in a way similar to this:
It's really important to go through these points in a consistent way, getting the CS rep's agreement to the points made. Wait for agreement on one or two points before you go to the next point, if that's possible.
Keep it simple, straightforward, and logical. Keep emotion out of it. Point out the facts, and point out eBay's own policy.