pig dogs sentenced to death

[davidc4430]

Killer pig dogs sentenced to death by Canberra tribunal for attacking German Shepherd

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-10/killer-pig-dogs-sentenced-to-death-for-german-shepherd-attack...

so you buy some dogs and you train them to kill then when they escape your yard and kill a neighbours dog (so lucky it wasnt a child) you complain they are going to be destroyed!

moron dog owners.

why do they rekon they have any right to own a dangerous dog?

why do they believe the country needs them to be hunting pigs?

find a hobby thats safe and doesnt require killing anything.

have a dog as a buddy not a killing machine!

the on purpose training of a dog to kill should be an offence.

[imastawka]

You don't need vicious dogs for pig hunting.  It's just an excuse to have the breed.

Hubby used to go pig hunting, back in the 70's, and our dogs were sweet labradors.

They just had to be trained to stay out of the way of those tusks.  The dogs don't bring down the pigs, the gun does.  The dogs just flush them out.

By the way, the dogs loved it.   Fresh air, lots of running around the bush.  They came home happy and exhausted.

But these animals should not be kept by anyone, and yes, they should be destroyed.

I thought we were banning these types of dogs?

[lyhargr_0]

Totally agree David, I hate hunting of any description, it's cruel and and definitely not a "sport"    IMO These dogs could not be rehabilitated and need to be euthanised before they attack someone else.

[chameleon54]

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@lyhargr_0 wrote:

Totally agree David, I hate hunting of any description, it's cruel and and definitely not a "sport"    IMO These dogs could not be rehabilitated and need to be euthanised before they attack someone else.

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I hate hunting too. Especially when it is foxes or roaming dogs that are hunting and killing my new born lambs. People say sheep are stupid, but they will stand over the dead lamb, protecting it from crows and mourning the loss for days.

What is worse is when roaming dogs hunt and attack grown, pregnant ewes, injuring them horrifically, but not killing them. ( I have to do that ) . It is incredibly cruel. I have had around twenty sheep killed in the last couple of months. Two roaming Red Healers !!!

Thank goodness I have a couple of experienced, proffesional hunters who assists when needed. They wear the chamo gear and use night vision telescopic sights on high powered rifles as well as using fox whistles. Theres only one roaming Red Healer now and his days are numbered.

[springyzone]

I think what you are describing, chameleon, is what i would call responsible hunting.

I do think animals feel emotions and concern for each other and from your description, those sheep were definitely grieving. And they deserve to be protected from suffering.

I also think the dogs in david's link need to be put down as they are dangerous.

There are some forms of hunting I find stomach churning though, I have to admit. The ones where it is done only for sport or fun, with no practical purpose. I would put some of the big game hunting in that bracket. I saw a photo once of a hunter standing over his giraffe kill and going through my mind was the question-why?

Same with dogs hunting foxes just for sport in England.

But that is a world away from the fact that killing is sometimes necessary & justified (although i suppose that is just my opinion). Into those categories I would put hunting or killing where it is done for food/protection/to prevent suffering eg euthanasia.

[imastawka]

Good points Springy.

I would like to add to my earlier post to say that the pig hunting done by hubby, and his mates, was in rural NSW and done at the request of the land owner.

Feral pigs that had to be culled every year as they were ruining his crops, and digging up his land.

[kopenhagen5]

A new report reveals that feral animals and diseases introduced into Australia pose a greater ongoing threat to the nation’s most vulnerable native animals than habitat loss.

It also confirms feral cats as the number one problem for our threatened mammals, ranking ahead of inappropriate fire regimes, foxes and habitat loss.

Pigs in Australia is considered one of the deadly 8.

[lyhargr_0]

Best post on this thread Springyzone  🙂

No need for the lecture chameleon 🙂  Given I live in the largest sheep farming area in Vic ( think Nareen Station ),  am  married to an ex farmer, who managed Super Fine Merino farms, have  a few farmers as friends, I am "slightly" aware of death and devastation that foxes, wild dogs n pigs etc can cause to livestock and therefore there is a need for them to be culled. Poisoning them comes with it's own set of problems, so as long as it is a clean shot, then shooting seems to be a better solution. 

It is an entire different situation to those who refer to hunting a "sport" which  I "thought" you would understand cham, obviously not

[chameleon54]

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@lyhargr_0 wrote:

Best post on this thread Springyzone  🙂

No need for the lecture chameleon 🙂  Given I live in the largest sheep farming area in Vic ( think Nareen Station ),  am  married to an ex farmer, who managed Super Fine Merino farms, have  a few farmers as friends, I am "slightly" aware of death and devastation that foxes, wild dogs n pigs etc can cause to livestock and therefore there is a need for them to be culled. Poisoning them comes with it's own set of problems, so as long as it is a clean shot, then shooting seems to be a better solution. 

It is an entire different situation to those who refer to hunting a "sport" which  I "thought" you would understand cham, obviously not

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My apologies if my post came across as lecturing, that wasn't the intention. More just a play on your words to give a different perspective on the topic.

The shooters I use are both " sporting " shooters who travel far and wide hunting everything from pigs, goats, deer, roos ( which are in plague proportions at the moment, ) foxes etc. They even traveled overseas recently to go free diving with large flippers and spear guns to catch  fish and use the high powered bows and arrows for hunting at times. They butcher a lot of what they shoot and give  meat away to friends and family. 

They are very down to earth and environmentally aware, but in a practical way, not arm chair, Canberra  environmentalists. Their very young kids run around in battered old clothes, climbing trees and bringing home little birds that have fallen from the nest or raising orphan lambs. They are only six or seven years old, but they roam all  over the place just doing kid stuff. A bit like the " good old days ".

The shooters work in a business run from one of the farms I lease. They manage a very large commercial composting operation, taking organic waste and using worms to break it down into fertiliser. They sell the fertiliser by the semi trailer load and produce worm juice that is sold in 1000 litre shuttles to farmers. There are a lot of " interesting " characters that come and go from the place with all sorts of ideas about renewable power schemes and bio-dynamic farming ideas.

The guys are currently recycling and selling huge 100 year old wooden beams, salvaged from one of Adelaide's best known jetties that was storm damaged recently. They are getting $150 per metre for some of the biggest beams. The beams are loaded with large front end loaders onto trucks and delivered to yuppies in the city who want a pergola made from the old jetty timbers. They are doing environmental stuff on a large commercial scale and probably making much more of a positive impact on the environment than most arm chair critics ever will..

It is a different mindset to that of urbanised people who live in ticky tacky homogenised houses, driving ticky tacky homogenised cars to ticky tacky homogenised shopping centres in search of food. They live a practical down to earth lifestyle, growing vegies and hunting for meat. Patching clothes, making stuff, recycling stuff and doing stuff. Personally, I think they may be onto something.

[chameleon54]

Hunters and shooters do get a bad wrap in the media and the idiots featured in Davids OP certianly dont help. What you dont hear about is the large majority of responsible shooters who do the right thing and actually serve a needed purpose in the community by helping to control feral pests.

The shooters I use to control feral animals on my farms live and breath the enviroment. Its not kitchy little, recycle your newspapers and take your plastic bags to the shops enviromental stuff, this is enviromentalism on an industrial scale.. They have established a multi faceted eco friendly business that includes a large worm farm with rows of worm castings up to half a KM. long. The farm produces casting based fertilisers and 1000 litre shuttles of " worm juice ". This is used in commercial orchards and grain farms which utilise bio-dynamic farming practices.

The business also recycles salvage timber. The piles featured in the photos above are coming from one of Adelaides main jetties. These timbers are sold to the specialist building trade for A LOT of money. The beams the dog is inspecting cost $750 each.

Any timber that is not suitable for building is cut into firewood and joins the piles of firewood shown above which come from renewable firewood plantations established on the property. 

And yes on the weekend these guys shoot feral animals. I know quite a few shooters and hunters. Most are intelligent blokes who do the right thing. Unfortunately like everything, it is the idiot fringe that spoil it for everyone else.