SHILL BIDDING SHOULD BE ILLEGAL! PLEASE HELP!

[kaos2015]

I want to report a member on behalf of my friend who was been trying to buy an item but the seller seems to be a scammer by driving up the prices with fake accounts. Maybe we are wrong and maybe we are not but-  it looks like a fishy and it smells like a fishy so it almost has to be fishy!

Item number: 181468915740

ITEM NUMBER 181 468 915 740 ( this is only one example- nearly every current listing has 2 bidders driving up prices on the sellers items and going through all the items in the feedback history the 2 bidders are constantly bidding)

They are using fake accounts to drive up the price and that is illegal!!!!! I think it is called shill bidding.

We have checked the sellers items sold, the number of bidders and all the feedback left and it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!!!

And the strange thing is these 2 bidders who have bid thousands of times on her items in 30 days cant be found in her feedback yet they are bidding large amounts but never seem to win or leave feedback. That is strange.

SELLER ID godblessmaria

We have gone through all the current listings and a lot of recent listings and it is the SAME BIDDERS ALWAYS DRIVING UP THE PRICES!!!

Currently 1 person bidding is b***0 (4) with 4 feedback.

In the last 30 days it says they have made 2282 bids on 451 items and 90% of the bid activity is with godblessmaria.

That DOES NOT MAKE SENSE that someone has made 2282 bids in ONE MONTH and only has a feedback of 4??????? They have made 2053 bids on godblessmaria listings and has only 4 feedback in one month?

ANOTHER bidder is g***i (48) with 48 feedback. In 30 days they have made 1493 bids on 426 items, 99% of them with godblessmaria. And only have a feedback of 48?????

This is shill bidding and is illegal and they are STEALING from other Ebay bidders by driving the prices up!!!

And they are not bidding small amount but large amounts!!!!!! Sometimes over $200

What we think they are doing is driving up the prices to MASSIVE amounts and then not completing the checkout- they are just paying the 10% fees and then giving second chance offers hence recovering the costs for the FVF transactions they never complete and STILL making sales with 'second chance offers'.

Is there anyway Ebay and Paypal can check that the sales made on Ebay through the possible fake bidders are actually getting completed through Paypal?

How is it that 2 people have made 3775 bids on ONE SELLER in ONE MONTH with a total feedback of only 52 between them???

THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Why is this allowed to happen?

My friend wants to bid but it is plain to see that godblessmaria has people driving up prices with THOUSANDS of bids that never win!!!!!!!!

Please tell me what is going on! And please correct us if we are wrong

Thank you.

[i-love-my-sheep]

Hopefully Tazz does send a report, because I've sent 2, plus reported all the listing with bids and so far, nothing!

[lyndal1838]

Tazz has already stated that he will leave the reporting of this shill bidding up to you.  He quite rightly does not appreciate being accused of taking all the glory when he has tried to help you get the right reasons for reporting to ebay.

[i-love-my-sheep]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

Tazz has already stated that he will leave the reporting of this shill bidding up to you.  He quite rightly does not appreciate being accused of taking all the glory when he has tried to help you get the right reasons for reporting to ebay.

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And if you read my follow up comment, you will see that I apologised for my out of line comment.

[lalala-au]

Yes you did! Page 5 for reference. Don't worry about those people your doing a brilliant job here keep going I am sure your recent reports will be taken notice of soon. Who knows how many reports Ebay has on their plate at the moment, I am sure they are quite busy.

[go-tazz]

That poor seller is not getting any bids now as their main two shill bidders are now NARU'd,

That other ID has 3 auctions finishing and the rest are now BIN's.

Their completed listings have bids by their shillers,(who have "won" most of them).

No bid retractions by them so they'll be paying eBay FVF,

[padi*0409]

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@go-tazz wrote:

That poor seller is not getting any bids now as their main two shill bidders are now NARU'd,

That other ID has 3 auctions finishing and the rest are now BIN's.

Their completed listings have bids by their shillers,(who have "won" most of them).

No bid retractions by them so they'll be paying eBay FVF,

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I would hope that eBay will have a "red flag" up for any NPD's opened against the shillers Taz.

Spoiler

Silly me, of course they would, wouldn't they................................?  ( As we know T&S is always on the ball...........) 

[i-love-my-sheep]

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@go-tazz wrote:

That poor seller is not getting any bids now as their main two shill bidders are now NARU'd,

That other ID has 3 auctions finishing and the rest are now BIN's.

Their completed listings have bids by their shillers,(who have "won" most of them).

No bid retractions by them so they'll be paying eBay FVF,

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That's what I can't work out about the other seller. His shill bidders seem to be bidding up high together, even when there are no other bidders and 'winning' everything, but their feedback never seems to increase. I wonder with that seller only having 28 feedback whether he is using those accounts to increase his feedback score, but then I'm not so sure about that either, because the other accounts don't seem to leave him feedback.

I wonder is p***p( 0 )  is a new shill account or whether it's a genuine new buyer? I noticed the original offender sold one of hers to a 0 feedback buyer too.

I'm also wondering how many times I have to report this other seller before eBay does something. I pointed out absolutely everything in black and white, yet they let him continue. So, I just keep reporting. As for the original seller, I have reported this current account twice now, even pointing out the obvious association with the NARU'd accounts and all i can think of is, she hasn't been NARU'd yet because there hasn't been any shill bidding on the current listings (despite it being blatantly obvious on the sold listings prior to her other accounts being made NARU). Who knows what goes through the minds of eBay employees!

Can everyone see bid retractions on a listing, or only the seller?

[padi*0409]

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@i-love-my-sheep wrote:

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@go-tazz wrote:

That poor seller is not getting any bids now as their main two shill bidders are now NARU'd,

That other ID has 3 auctions finishing and the rest are now BIN's.

Their completed listings have bids by their shillers,(who have "won" most of them).

No bid retractions by them so they'll be paying eBay FVF,

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Can everyone see bid retractions on a listing, or only the seller?

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As a buyer chooks, I can see bid retractions on listings, and can then click on the bidder and see a bit of their bidding history.

[i-love-my-sheep]

Thanks Padi. I knew you could see if a particular bidder had retracted a bid buy clicking on them, but wasn't sure if there was some mention of it under the list of bidders. I know when a bidder asked me to cancel their bid a few months back, it was written on the bottom of the bidders page, but wasn't sure if it was only me that could see it.

[padi*0409]

Yep chooks, any bids on a listing can be clicked on to see if any of those bidders have made retractions, and if there's a retraction on that listing then it will show at the bottom of the bids.

I spotted one a while ago and alerted my seller to an excessive amount of retractions by one of his bidders (though not on his items), he blocked them after that to save any aggro...............