State by State, Australia vs Elsewhere, in the age of COVID-19 and beyond

This thread is for the specific purpose of checking on milestone information (quotations and videos rather than table-form/spreadsheet/database information that fit better into k1ooo's thread), and responses by representatives from our government, CHOs, etc.

 

 

 

It's official: Australia has passed the 70% double dose vaccination rate.

 

 

Australia's double-dose vaccination rate has passed 70 per cent of all adults aged 16 and over

It is a key milestone in the national reopening plan.

More than 33 million vaccine doses have been distributed nationwide, and the first-dose rate nationally has reached 85.5 percent.

New South Wales and the ACT have already passed the 80 percent vaccination milestone, and Victoria and Tasmania are expected to reach 70 percent double-dosed within two days.❞

 

A tremendous achievement, but of course there is still some patchiness. We'll have to see some good efforts to correct misinformation, to provide solid health information, and to take the vaccine to the people who are not able or not willing to access it easily by themselves.

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Sorry, I strongly disagree with you when you say "Throw the book at her.".  It's quite likely in her misguided actions,  she thought she was doing things for humanitarian reasons, not unlike the good Germans that hid Jews and others during Hitler's horrible reign. In saying that, I do believe she should be fined and not allowed to work as a nurse again. Or perhaps she could repent by working in Africa where famine is and help people there.

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No doubt she did think she was 'helping' people but I strongly disagree that it is anything like Germans who hid Jews.

In fact, I think it is disrespectful in a way to those who died in WW2 camps. It is trivialising the situation back then.

 

People here in Australia can choose to be vaxxed or not. They won't be thrown into a concentration camp, they won't be killed. Their homes and possessions will not be seized.  They will not be exterminated like vermin. Those who have unvaxxed people in their homes will not be executed.

 

The very worst that will happen to an unvaxxed person is they may face a fine if they breach conditions or if they are in an industry that requires vaccination, they may have to change jobs.

I know of 2 people who have faced that and in fact they were not all that worried.

I'm not saying it is easy on people, just that there is a choice.

 

Falsifying official health records though is just wrong on every level. I wouldn't be sending the woman over to Africa or anything dramatic. I'd simply fine and sack her.

 

 

 

 

 


 

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Sorry, I strongly disagree with you when you say "Throw the book at her.".  It's quite likely in her misguided actions,  she thought she was doing things for humanitarian reasons, not unlike the good Germans that hid Jews and others during Hitler's horrible reign. In saying that, I do believe she should be fined and not allowed to work as a nurse again. Or perhaps she could repent by working in Africa where famine is and help people there.

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No doubt she did think she was 'helping' people but I strongly disagree that it is anything like Germans who hid Jews.

In fact, I think it is disrespectful in a way to those who died in WW2 camps. It is trivialising the situation back then.

 

People here in Australia can choose to be vaxxed or not. They won't be thrown into a concentration camp, they won't be killed. Their homes and possessions will not be seized.  They will not be exterminated like vermin. Those who have unvaxxed people in their homes will not be executed.

 

The very worst that will happen to an unvaxxed person is they may face a fine if they breach conditions or if they are in an industry that requires vaccination, they may have to change jobs.

I know of 2 people who have faced that and in fact they were not all that worried.

I'm not saying it is easy on people, just that there is a choice.

 

Falsifying official health records though is just wrong on every level. I wouldn't be sending the woman over to Africa or anything dramatic. I'd simply fine and sack her.

 

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I'm actually quite surprised you would think my saying "not unlike the good Germans that hid Jews and others during Hitler's horrible reign" to give an example would be trivializing such an evil thing that happened in 1930s and 1940s Germany. That's definitely not the case. You could have gone the other way and said ... "That's a long jump to make a comparison like that". Strange!


If you take some time to read what's being said about Australia, Victoria in particular, you will see news articles where the term "Dictator" is used regularly now. Politicians in Australia and abroad are using that term. Mainstream political commentators are too. Looking in social media as well as main-stream, I have seen Andrews referred to as a Nazi Dictator , Khmer dictator, Italian dictator , Fascist, Totalitarian, Dedicated Socialist ,  you name it, and many other things that I can't mention here. Even media folk are calling him "Dictator Dan".


Australia has a shameful past one that includes apartheid, racial injustice and brutality and genocide. Having moved from that and redeemed itself somewhat, it has now got the dark cloud of shame hanging over it once again. This time what is taking place isn't so much racially selective. It is a complete lack of respect for the rights of an individual. So when some people are terrified of their biological sovereignty being invaded and are having the life as they know it being threatened with destruction (Job loss, denial of entry to facilities), they have a right to be concerned. Some someone who gives a damn about their fellow man (more than what the politicians ever do) decides to fudge the books, well then. It is understandable! While I don't agree with what this nurse has done, I can see why she did it.


Today Australians are facing something that they never dreamed would happen. Forced vaccination by a combination of proxy and officialdom done with extreme intimidation tactics that were previously unknown in this part of the world. All of this is happening right in front of our shocked eyes. And for what?? A "vaccine" that is only partially effective and still allows the  "vaccinated " to  spread  the virus ? A vaccine that is not needed by people with natural or acquired immunity? A vaccine which is not totally required in countries that treat patients with drugs successfully? A vaccine that is not fully tested?


While I still maintain that vaccines are a helpful tool in dealing with disease and I support the use of some, I strongly support the right of the individual to make that choice. I do believe that a proper vaccine for this particular corona virus should be an option for the people just as treatment involving Doxycycline, Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin has proven to be a huge success in other countries.


With all the perceived cultural and technical superiority of us Westerners with our heads held up high in arrogance, we shame ourselves with our own backwardness. Heck, we still put industrial waste in our water thinking it helps our teeth. We still fill our teeth cavities with a liquid metal, one of the deadliest, toxic substances on this planet, a known neurotoxin! We pollute our bodies with disgusting chemicals to treat cancer then after referring to it as "being in remission", we parrot "Oh no, it's come back" when in fact its a new one created by those disgusting chemicals. We ban alternative treatments, some of which have proven to be effective in treating cancer.

 

It's no wonder we are where we are!

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Hey 4channel....waaaaaaay off topic.

 

OP states - 

 

This thread is for the specific purpose of checking on milestone information (quotations and videos rather than table-form/spreadsheet/database information that fit better into k1ooo's thread), and responses by representatives from our government, CHOs, etc.

 

Please use your own original posting threads for your brand of propaganda!

 

 

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Or begin new threads we all can ignore. lol

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From the Medical Journal of Australia

 


 

EDITORIAL

On entering Australia’s third year with COVID‐19

 

Stephen J Duckett and Brett Sutton

Med J Aust || doi: 10.5694/mja2.51328

Published online: 15 November 2021

 

We cannot let complacency encumber how we live with the virus: vigilance and a planned recovery are essential

 

In 2022, Australia will enter its third year with COVID‐19, the coronavirus disease caused by infection with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS‐CoV‐2). If 2020 was characterised by the fight for “COVID‐zero”, and 2021 by the drive to vaccinate Australia, 2022 and beyond could be the start of the inter‐pandemic period: if all goes well, community vaccination levels will be high enough that the occasional COVID‐19 outbreak will not require lockdowns or other strict public health measures.

 

The caveat concerns the nature of the virus. All viruses mutate, new dominant strains emerge. We do not know whether the next SARS‐CoV‐2 strain will be nastier than its predecessor, or whether a new vaccine will be required and could be developed quickly. At this stage, we also still don’t know whether everyone will need booster vaccination shots or whether lessons learned during the messy 2021 vaccination program will improve the management of their rollout.

 

But the 2022‐and‐beyond vaccine program is but one of the policy challenges Australia needs to consider. More broadly, all governments need to be involved in planning the recovery phase, to ensure that they can manage the impact on health systems and protect public health during the inter‐pandemic period.

 

The missing recovery phase

The National Cabinet COVID‐19 roadmap (released in July 2021) ends with the “final post‐vaccination phase”, which includes border re‐openings and living with COVID‐19 in the community without lockdowns.¹ Disappointingly, the roadmap includes no explicit recovery phase: it [is] as if we could all soon heave a sigh of relief and simply move on.

 

The recovery phase after public health emergencies normally includes addressing their economic effects and managing the mental health impacts.² COVID‐19 became a disease of low income workers — those who couldn’t work from home — and their families and communities. It affected Australia very unevenly, with poorer outcomes for those at greatest disadvantage.³ The recovery phase needs to rebuild community and system resilience and redress disadvantage exacerbated by COVID‐19. Planning for workforce responses, especially preparing for burnout and the needs of staff for time out to recover, will be critical. It should also include governments, hospitals, and primary care services learning from the crisis: what went well, what went badly? From a public health perspective, this should not be a witch hunt, but rather an exercise in learning and improvement. The learning process should be undertaken at both local — what were the changes, what was their impact and cost, what did staff and patients think about them? — and at state and national levels, including formal inquiries.

 

Health system lessons

The Australian health system adapted remarkably well during the acute phase of the pandemic. Hospitals responded very flexibly, boosted hospital‐in‐the‐home services, and expanded telehealth options for outpatient clinics. General practitioners also embraced telehealth. Hospitals established mass vaccination hubs rapidly, and managed them well. But all was not perfect. Staff were under enormous pressure, and symptoms of limitations to hospital capacity were evident in most states.

 

2022 will bring new challenges. The continuing mental health effects of disruptions to life during 2020 and 2021 are already being seen in the health system, and, as with natural disasters, they will need to be managed for years, not weeks. Deferred care (system‐deferred, such as elective procedures, or patient‐deferred, including care missed because patients with troubling symptoms postponed seeking help) will need to be resumed. “Long COVID” is also a serious and, to some extent, still undefined phenomenon., The reporting of some signs, such as parosmia (for which there is currently no effective treatment), has increased dramatically. The long term effects of COVID‐19 on cardiac and respiratory function are still being assessed. Health services will need to plan for staff who need to recover from COVID‐19‐induced burnout.

 

Decision makers in health systems will need to spend early 2022 assessing and developing strategies in response to these problems, and this situation will be more confronting if new vaccine‐resistant virus variants emerge, or the effectiveness of current vaccines wanes.,¹⁰ The federal government will need to finalise a policy on permanently incorporating telehealth into primary care and specialist care in the community. It also needs to share the increased health care costs caused by the pandemic; and not just the direct costs, which it has already agreed to share with the states on a 50:50 basis, but also the costs of deferred care in 2022 and possibly even 2023. Under current arrangements, these costs will be borne entirely by the states because of the cap on federal funding.

 

Public health during the inter‐pandemic period

Public health is the art and science of protecting and improving the health of people and communities by promoting healthy behaviours, workplaces, and communities, and preventing or responding to communicable and non‐communicable environmental and lifestyle diseases and other hazards. In 2022, public health will need to concern itself with the emerging burden of disease and avoidable harms linked with the profound effects of the COVID‐19 pandemic over the past two years.

 

The real lesson of the pandemic, however, is the huge impact of inequality and structural disadvantage on its course and outcomes. It is convenient to imagine that respiratory viruses are randomly transmitted from one person to another. The reality is that they find all the social, demographic, and economic vulnerabilities within and between populations: differential effects related to sex, overcrowding, essential but casualised work, public housing, homelessness, poverty, poor health literacy, cultural marginalisation, and stigmatisation. These are not individual human behavioural problems as much as “causes of the causes”.¹¹,¹²

 

Such fundamental disparities across the social spectrum apply as much to non‐communicable disease as to pandemics: we see it in inequitable health outcomes during extreme heat, in congenital syphilis, and in people exposed to environmental hazards, such as poor air quality. COVID‐19 vaccination rates have been much lower for First Nations people than other Australians, despite their priority status during stages 1b and 2a of the vaccine rollout,¹³ and are at greater risk of both transmission and severe illness if infected.¹⁴

 

In 2022, public health practitioners and organisations must seek to better understand these social drivers of health in the COVID‐19 era, and receive the resources to redress disparities exacerbated by the crisis. How has prolonged remote learning affected children and communities differently? How have young people fared, a group particularly exposed to mental health problems, loss of employment, and casual work hours? And how can they best be helped in the years ahead?

 

Conclusion

Australia weathered the COVID‐19 storm well. Our death rate was among the lowest in the world, and the impact on the economy was also relatively mild. But these successes may have hindered our vaccination rollout. We cannot allow complacency to similarly encumber how we live with COVID‐19. We must be vigilant, to ensure that our first‐rate public health capacity is not run down as part of public sector belt tightening. We must ensure that our health system has the capacity to respond to the shadow pandemic of mental health problems caused by the viral pandemic and its management,¹⁵ and that we are well placed to face the challenges of both long COVID and future pandemics.

 


The Victorian CHO Brett Sutton and Stephen Duckett make some powerful points. In particular, managing the long term effects of COVID-19 would seem to merit a recovery phase, and there is room for discussion about bearing ongoing costs and putting into place the lessons learned so far. At any rate, I thought it was an interesting read.

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@imastawka wrOte:

Hey 4channel....waaaaaaay off topic.

 

OP states - 

 

This thread is for the specific purpose of checking on milestone information (quotations and videos rather than table-form/spreadsheet/database information that fit better into k1ooo's thread), and responses by representatives from our government, CHOs, etc.

 

Please use your own original posting threads for your brand of propaganda!

 

 



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Reply, himm, hello imastawka?,  this thread has expanded without my help by other members. I was just replying to springyzone. I'll try now to ignore further invitations to come in and I may create a thread for replies to posts on other threads. Having rogespeed around is a problem as he often comes up with interesting info and being a keen researcher that he is, I get drawn on  in by interest.

 

No propaganda. Just fact by medical professionals who are well-respected. I just quote them.

 

Anyway, that's it from me!

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No propaganda. Just fact by medical professionals who are well-respected. I just quote them.

 

 


 

Would those "medical professionals" happen to be the ones that you've found on YouTube by any chance?

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One of whom is being sued by his previous employer.

 

Another on charges relating to the January 6th Insuurrection.

 

Trust Youtube.

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A "vaccine" that is only partially effective and still allows the  "vaccinated " to  spread  the virus ? A vaccine that is not needed by people with natural or acquired immunity?

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I haven't quoted all of your post but I will say outright that I am very much against running western culture down at every point. Sure, it is not perfect, it never has been, but the cultures in many other places are as bad if not worse and many people these days are too scared to be critical. It is becoming fashionable to be critical only of white anglo saxons and I think that is unfair.

 

Now in regard to the red highlighted bit. You are right in that being vaccinated doesn't give anyone 100% immunity but then, that's the case with any vaccination or medication.

The aim of any vaccine or medication is to help the person survive. To make them less likely to get a severe case and die.

I recently lost a brother in law to covid, as you know.

He was in his own room but in a dedicated covid ward, only covid patients on that floor and only suitably gowned staff and visitors.

The nurses told my sister in law that her husband was the only double vaxxed person there. Now, he had pre existing conditions, with failing kidneys before covid, so his time was limited, covid or no. But it was what sent him over the edge, so to speak and he died struggling with every breath, my sister in law said it was a terrible thing to watch.

The staff there though said they wished people would get vaccinated because nearly every severe case in that ward was an unvaccinated person. And it wasn't a small ward. I think that shows that even though yes, vaccinated people can get covid or spread it, the ones who are most likely to die from it are overwhelmingly the unvaccinated. That's what the nursing staff are seeing day after day.

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@4channel wrote:

                                        

No propaganda. Just fact by medical professionals who are well-respected. I just quote them.

 


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Would those "medical professionals" happen to be the ones that you've found on YouTube by any chance?

 

 


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Yes padi*0409, some of them are on YouTube, the same place where you can find the pro-vax and those "television pro-vax doctors".  Yes, I confess that some of these prestigious doctors who support early-stage life-saving drug treatment are also viewable there. These doctors are also present in some "Senate Inquiry" clips. You can also find them in various medical journals.  But when they say certain things that go against the chosen narrative they sort of get ignored in the mainstream. Sometimes though, a bit seeps through. Personally I think it's an insurance kind of game. "Oh look but we did let them say that" type of thing. It may be that they realize that there really is power in truth and their position in the here after is flimsy.

 

Now I'm not going to be the one to blow the whistle here on the connection between big industries such as the pharmaceutical, oil, agri-chemical,  military industrial complex, mining etc. and main-stream media. But having faith in you that I do, I feel a change coming on and I have confidence old son that you will one-day soon rise to the occasion and  do the right thing. So there's the "tomorrow thing" and what we will inherit and have to live with. Of course it's just words here in a forum and who cares right?

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