Not allowed to leave HONEST feedback for buyers who default - WHY??

I've had more than 2,550 sales and lately I've had a spate of buyers who make no contact after the sale - no payment.


 


I receive a FVF fee refund but this is not enough - I want justice!!


 


I see these buyers going on with their 100% rating and their behaviour should at least be visible to sellers.


 


Why keep them at 100% poistive when they have defaulted????????????


 


It's just NOT FAIR!!!!


 


 

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their behaviour should at least be visible to sellers.







It sort of is. As sellers we can choose to block buyers with unpaid item strikes.

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if ebay added a NON PAYING BIDDER comment to the numpties feedback when the strike was issued...... WITH A DOLLAR SIGN RED CROSSED INSTEAD OF A POSITIVE


 


 then the OP would be happy


 


AND THIS THREAD WOULD NOT EXIST


 


..... the blockers would be happy


 


........ the lookers could look the blockers could block .........


 


THE POSTIVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK LEAVERS COULD NOT LEAVE POSITIVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK AND BREACH POLICY SIMPLY BECAUSE EBAY ALREADY FILLED THE SPACE WITH THEIR COMMENT


 


SIMPLE...... EBAY..... FFS

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and I bet you 23 cents ( sorry that's all i can spare at the moment) that the many that just leave positive negatives and move on will spot  "the mark" on anumpties feedback and then head here or to the help centre to find out how to issue same............


 


How about you ?????

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OP why do the tyre kickers matter so much to you. As you stated in your opening comment they are few and far between. Issue your strikes and set your limits if you want justice. I recieve at least 1 plea a month from some numpty who thinks that because they have recieved 2 unpaid item strikes in the last 6 months they will be allowed to bid on my auctions. To the most part the answer to them is NO.

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Hi, I'd just like to know what an un paid item strike looks like? Forgive the ignorance but is it a the same as me giving a negative (not that I can give them to purchasers). Just asking because I have a buyer who's not paid for two items yet has been active on ebay buying other stuff?

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nouveau_retro
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Hi Nikki, we can't see the strikes and neither can anyone else- the buyer is the only who knows its on their account. If your buyer hasn't paid within four days, use the 'more actions' drop down box on the item line/s, follow the prompts and initiate unpaid item dispute/s. You can close the dispute/s 4 days later. To stop buyers with strikes on their account bidding with you, go to your account tab > site preferences > buyer requirements, and block buyers with 2 or more strikes. 

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nouveau_retro
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I should add, the best way to have a buyer pay is simply to message them to ask if they'd still like the item. If no response within a day or two, then open the disputes.

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moochgraber
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Unfortunately eBay has lost sight of it founding father's original intention as written on their own site as to the purpose of the feedback forum and what it was supposed to do. In simple terms he realised that to operate any business environment  in a which buyer and seller can not get to know one another face to face there must be a way to establish trust and to quickly find and push away those that were dishonest, discourteous and those that hurt the market community he was trying to build. He was able to set up eBay successfully ... "By creating an open market that encourages honest dealings."



Can we claim that to be true of eBay today? Honesty?



We have on eBay :-



1. Knockoffs and refurbished items sold as new/legit,



2. Direct imports from China and other countries selling items well below quality standards normally allowed sellers here, who come and go under various ids until they are closed down leaving no recourse for duped buyers.



3. FEES both hidden and unfair  e.g. you can not pass on PayPal and GST costs to end buyer like you can in the normal bricks and mortar world and eBay can take a percentage of the GST included end price of your item but you can not claim GST on their fees not add GST or other value based fees to the final value of an auction (like you can to a property or car auction for example).  Worst of all you can not tell customers about these fees and what eBay and Paypal are doing or steer them away from their golden goose - PayPal.  They also recently forced me to move to a higher store as they are 'getting rid' of the cheaper option, then hike up the cost of that higher store type on me... I now pay twice as much for the privilege of multi-variation selling which is the only thing I need a store for!



4. eBay owned PayPal takes a %age of postage and handling but we can not charge that back to the buyer... PayPal is forced upon us 'for our own good' and we are told it is safer that a Bank (but I have never lost money using my bank and I have lost $3000 USD using Paypal with a supposedly verified user address website and feedback scores...)



5. I have also been asked to break the law by Paypal when I explained that sending back a known counterfeit USB key to get back my money from the Chinese seller was breaking Federal Law of sending counterfeit goods in the mail and subject to a $2000 fine or even jail time. I was told regardless of this I would not get my funds back unless I could prove I had sent it back.



Is this honest dealings? Are sellers getting an honest feedback system when they can only leave positive feedback or none at all? Why is there no warning when a person with negs puts a bid on your item instead - so you can see if you even want their business for example? Why only UPIs as the only (extreme) reason for refusing to let then bid on your items?



If other businesses have right of refusal of service to known trouble makers - why not us?


This is why I stopped being a Powerseller on eBay and went back to just using it for getting rid of a few items. It was no longer the market it could have become and it was no longer honest. I helped make eBay what it was then. I fought to keep eBay unrestricted/unshackled by well meaning politicians in Canberra along with other eBay sellers (at eBay's invitation) back in 2005 (or so) and I a full time business employing people and had over 35000 positive feedbacks and 99.7% rating with only retaliatory ratings making up that small percentage of negs. Those few negs did not matter to me because it was honest and if someone negged me for a good reason I would wear it, and if not I could tell the world why, and that they were crooked (mostly deadbeat UPIs).  I let the feedback system work it out and it did the job perfectly e.g. Often the ones I negged were negged by several other sellers (repeat UPI offenders or just plain nasty to deal with) and booted off thus removing them from the community and forcing those with nasty tendencies to pull their heads in and consider the feeling of others. It was much more pleasant to deal on eBay then and that was only 8 years ago! eBay has forgotten that is is not just the money and payment or non-payment that we judge each other on, it is the whole experience.



And why when you ask eBay about some new change being unfair do they just tell you "you are free to leave"?



Finally, feedback is more than just - did they pay or did we cheat them (as sellers) - it is about how we felt we were treated and would we want to transact with them again if given the chance? It is about building a community we can be happy trading in and enjoy working and shopping in every day in preference to all the other website and physical stores we have on offer to us daily, and about making eBay a place people can be committed and passionate about - like I/they used to be.:-D

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...and you needed an 8 month old thread to be dragged up to say THAT??:|

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moochgraber
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Sorry, only found this thread today. There were no more recent threads on this issue and I did not think anyone one would appreciate me restarting a new thread on an old theme.



Normally not interested in Feedback but got a Neutral last few days with no comms from the customer and no reason just "thankyou". Only realised we no longer have the right to real feedback when I checked what feedback I had/could leave her and realised I could only leave a POS! What a joke.



I thought you could only leave non-Pos if you contacted the seller first to try and resolve any issues (I always have out of common decency)?



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