Is this seller a scammer? – Sherlock please help!

 

Hello to all!

 

I need some input from experienced Ebayers please!

 

I have a problem with a seller who comes up with all sorts of explanations as to why he has not sent my item yet.

History: 16 days ago I bought a laptop for about 100** dollars. Before buying I contacted the seller via “ask the seller a question” for some information on the item. It was not quite suitable and I received a return email with an offer of another laptop, which he allegedly had just listed. I had a look and could not find it in the “see other sellers items list” so he sent me the item number and I found it but it was not suitable either. I unfortunately cant remember under which name this listing was. Maybe he has more than 2 Ids.

I then decided to auction the first laptop I had enquired about. I won the bid, paid straight away online with funds transfer. **The same day** I received an email of the seller asking wether I had paid and which way I had paid. I gave him the information.

I then contacted him with an ebay email and asked him to pack the item safely and if he needed more money I would pay for extra packaging costs. He agreed and I sent an additional amount of 20 dollars via funds transfer, which he must have received on 14th of May.

In-between 11 May and 14th may I received an ebay-email, which said the item, was sent.

On 17th May I received an automated email that the laptop was relisted for sale again. This message probably only came to me because I still had the item stored in “my watch list”. I had a look and it was the identical laptop with the identical text but it had an additional “By Now” option of 200** dollars.

(Interessting: The day he relisted the laptop he also had created a second ID name. His listings and emails started to appear all under his new name.)

I contacted the seller why he is reselling my laptop and he said it is another laptop that looks similar. Not much later I received an automated ebay email that my sale was cancelled and that I should click to get a refund, which I didn’t do.

On inquiry the seller told me that this cancellation was a mistake and I would receive my laptop.

 

My laptop didn’t turn up and I contacted the seller on 25th May (which is a fortnight from purchase) with ebay email: Item not received.

He answered (with various types of email headers) that due to a sick child and thats why he is away from home until 29th of May and he can’t send it now but only on 29th of May. (How does he know that his sick child will be ok again on 29th?) He also offered me a refund. I declined the refund and said that 29th was too late I needed it earlier.

 

Then I had a look again on his rating page and found (out of 7 ratings) 1 bad rating where a buyer complained that he had won the item fairly but was not sent the item. The item sold for 1 dollar at auction, which was obviously not good enough for the seller, so he relisted the already sold item.

Maybe the price of 100 dollars for my laptop wasn’t high enough either and that’s why the seller relisted it unaware of the fact that I would receive a “relisted” mail.

 

On his rating page the last item sold on 21 May and was rated afterwards. This either means to me, that he was at home at least until 21 of May (why didn’t he sent the laptop then in the previous 10 days 11 May till 21 May?) or that he is listing items, buys them himself and gives himself ratings. The latter would make sense given that several items that had already sold (for example a water kettle / no rating appeared) and it was relisted again. The toe bar which the complaining buyer didn’t receive was relisted as well.

 He also made a comment on the phone that he needs good ratings. He said that he had problems with a buyer who didnt sent his money and thats why ebay now has a look into (all?) his emails.

Could this seller already have a hidden bad history?

 

After declining the refund I received again an email saying that I would receive the laptop when he is back home after his relative is out of hospital. This time he didn’t tell me a date. I found this answer to vague and sent another email to tell me a correct date when I will receive the laptop.

 

I am currently waiting for the answer, but I think I might have got caught up with a scammer.

 

Another worry is, that more people might get scammed possibly under various ID’s.

 

When he listed my laptop first time he had zero ratings (I thought I give him a fair go)

6 days later 17th May he changed his name. I had a look at the ID page and there were 2 names listed now. From then on I had to deal with him under his new ID.

 

During a short phone call he told me he needs good ratings because he had trouble with a buyer who didn’t want to send him his money and therefore Ebay now has access to all his emails.

 

On the whole I have exchanged about 35 emails with him. 

 

Ladies and gents, I need your opinion please!

 

Could this possibly be a scammer?

I am not an experienced buyer here on Ebay Australia and would like to know where the pitfalls are also in regards to missing time limits and using the correct request forms for further action.

 

Thanks for reading my long text and thanks for your input!

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"....Whether you get you money back or not, you should report the seller to ACORN. If others have also reported him there is far more chance of stopping him if they get more complaints....."

 

Yes, thanks, i will do so!

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"....So your mate works in the local cop shop? Then he should be the first one to tell you that these matters do not get handled at local level. They need to be reported to the on line fraud squad in your state and/or ACORN....."

 

I never said anything will be handeled at a local level....?

I said, that I reported the seller and his behaviour to Ebay plus that I engaged my bank to retreive the money plus that my mate will help me with the technicalities in regards to contacting ACORN.

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"....If it is the Financial Services Ombudsman then you are way off base there too......you do not have a problem with any bank...they have done nothing wrong....you gave your money to the seller of your own free will....the bank did not take it from you and give it away. And it is not the bank's fault that they cannot force the return of your money....."

 

 

Thanks for that information!

As I mentioned before, I have NOT YET looked into the ombudsman option, neither financial ombudsman or another ombudsman. But I will report back in case I will find usefull help from any ombudsman.

 

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".......For goodness sake take off your rose coloured glasses and be a bit pro-active in taking some actions that may see you getting your money back...."

 

 

I think I am very proactive: I contacted Ebay byer board here, I contacted Ebay Customer Support, I contacted my bank.

First good result: The seller is not selling at the moment.

 

ACORN will be my next attempt since the seller has missed the timeframe for refunding my money and negotiations/emails have stopped.

I devote as much time as I can to this unpleasant issue.

My gardener, secretary, cleaner, cook etc. are on hollidays, so I have to make time for this as well.....(irony off)

 

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" At the very least don't try and blame innocent parties like you bank......."

 

Lyndal, dont you think that your comment is a bit far fetched?

I have NOT AT ALL blamed my or the sellers bank for anything.

I said that my bank is trying to help me to get my money back and that my bank has opened a request to the sellers bank.

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" At the very least don't try and blame innocent parties like you bank......."

 

Lyndal, dont you think that your comment is a bit far fetched?

I have NOT AT ALL blamed my or the sellers bank for anything.

I said that my bank is trying to help me to get my money back and that my bank has opened a request to the sellers bank.


No, I don't believe my comment is a bit far fetched.

You mentioned contacting the Ombudsman.....I can only assume that you mean the banking ombudsman as that is the only one that would be involved in this case as far as I can see.

 

Do you know what an Ombudsman does?   The service is to facilitate the solving of problems between the customer and the service they are having problems with.

You DON'T have a problem with your bank or any other bank.  You transferred the funds of your own free will.

 

You have mentioned several times that you are new to Australia....how new I don't know, but you are clearly demonstrating here that you have no idea how the banking system works in Australia...or many other services for that matter.

 

If you had listened to the advise you were given at the very start of this thread you may well have had your money back by now but you have chosen to ignore much of the very good advice and go off at tangents contacting services that really will not be able to help you.

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"......." At the very least don't try and blame innocent parties like you bank......."

 

Lyndal, dont you think that your comment is a bit far fetched?

I have NOT AT ALL blamed my or the sellers bank for anything.

I said that my bank is trying to help me to get my money back and that my bank has opened a request to the sellers bank.


".....No, I don't believe my comment is a bit far fetched.

You mentioned contacting the Ombudsman.....I can only assume that you mean the banking ombudsman as that is the only one that would be involved in this case as far as I can see....."

 

 

Ok, you assumed, but you assumed wrong. I think that's sorted out now.

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".........Do you know what an Ombudsman does? The service is to facilitate the solving of problems between the customer and the service they are having problems with.

You DON'T have a problem with your bank or any other bank. You transferred the funds of your own free will....."

 

You have mentioned several times that you are new to Australia....how new I don't know, but you are clearly demonstrating here that you have no idea how the banking system works in Australia...or many other services for that matter.

 

 

Thanks! No further need to discuss this I think, due to wrong assumption.

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"....If you had listened to the advise you were given at the very start of this thread you may well have had your money back by now but you have chosen to ignore much of the very good advice and go off at tangents contacting services that really will not be able to help you....."

 

 

To my memory (correct me if I am wrong) the advice was to send the seller my bank details so he can refund my money (which I had paid via funds transfer to his account.

 

And I have answered, that I will not give a potential scammer my bank details, so that he has more material to scam me even more.

I had also posted this link:   "ACORN sais in regards to identity theft : name, address, date of birth or bank account details) to steal money or gain other benefits. Source: http://www.acorn.gov.au/what-is-cybercrime/identit​y-theft/   "

 

Despite that: if the seller had had the slightest intention to refund me, he could have

a)  contacted me and ask for my bank details or

b) he could have gone into his bank branch and let them send the money back. The seller could have done that easily according to information of my bank staff member. He had no intention to refund me, why would I want to throw my bank details at a scammer? (Given that he already has my home address, email address, phone number, my name)

 

 

As to my taking action on this case here again:

I opened a request: item not received and can proof now that the seller did not send the item.

 

I received a automated Ebay mail offering me a refund. I waited the requested days and now have the proff that I was NOT refunded.

 

I contacted Ebay Customer support to report the seller and his behaviour/actions towards me and others. Looks like he cant scam other byers at the moment which is good.

 

The next thing will be visiting the local copshop and try to get info in regards to approaching ACORN or other options

 

I think i am doing all the right things, in the right order, I will report back for results when available

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" At the very least don't try and blame innocent parties like you bank......."

 

Lyndal, dont you think that your comment is a bit far fetched?

I have NOT AT ALL blamed my or the sellers bank for anything.

I said that my bank is trying to help me to get my money back and that my bank has opened a request to the sellers bank.


".....No, I don't believe my comment is a bit far fetched.

You mentioned contacting the Ombudsman.....I can only assume that you mean the banking ombudsman as that is the only one that would be involved in this case as far as I can see....."

 

I understand: You assumed, and your assumption was wrong.

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"....Do you know what an Ombudsman does? The service is to facilitate the solving of problems between the customer and the service they are having problems with.

You DON'T have a problem with your bank or any other bank. You transferred the funds of your own free will.

 

You have mentioned several times that you are new to Australia....how new I don't know, but you are clearly demonstrating here that you have no idea how the banking system works in Australia...or many other services for that matter....."

 

 

No need to discuss this Ombudsman/Bank subject any further due to your wrong assumption.

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"......If you had listened to the advise you were given at the very start of this thread you may well have had your money back by now but you have chosen to ignore much of the very good advice and go off at tangents contacting services that really will not be able to help you...."

 

Hang on!

Afer I opened a "item not received" request to the seller, I received an automated ebay message on 3rd of July  that the seller had finally offered me officially a refund (purchase took place on 11 May).

He officially had time to do his refund until latest 5th of June which was a Friday. Since a money transfer can take a few business days I waited until Wednesday 10th of June and checked my account. The money did not arrive.

I contacted the same day 10th of May Ebay about this and today is the 11th of May.

What I described above was innitiated by the seller ór Ebay, and i HAVE TO COMPLY with the rules of those requests and wait times.

It would not have made sense at all if I had taken any further action before this refund offer request  expired.

 

What if he had refunded my money and I had already contacted ACORN and wasted my and their time?

 

It is only from today onwards that I can take futher action!!!!

 

In regards to the received advice to hand over my bank details to the seller without him having requested them:

According to my bank, the seller could have refunded my money without having access to my bank details. He could have gone into his branch and request that the money be transferred back to me. He didnt do this.

Hi also did not contact me to receive my bank details.

No need to reveal my bank details to a scammer when it is obvious that he doesnt want to pay anyway.

 

Here copy of my previous post on this subject:

ACORN sais in regards to identity theft : name, address, date of birth or bank account details) to steal money or gain other benefits. Source: http://www.acorn.gov.au/what-is-cybercrime/identit​y-theft/

 

As I mentioned before, he has got my address, my email addres, my real name, my phone number and I am not sure wether I should disclose my bank account details to him as well.

 

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Ohhhhh, this post just became rather interesting after I heard back from the seller-oopsie and tsk tsk

 

Rosa

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How interesting.....it is always good to get the other side of the story.

If the seller never got your money have you checked to see if it was returned to your account?

Your bank is certainly never going to get any money back if you did not send it in the first place......you will find yourself in trouble for trying to get a refund for money never sent in the first place.

 

The German banking system is a lot different to the Australian system but I am sure they would not condone fraud.   It also explains why you are so anti paypal.

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Seller is walkingon very thin ice here! Don't fall for it .

1.My bank is informed,

2.His bank will is about to be informed,

3. Ebay is informed.

4.Screenshots of purchase and bank payments, phonecalls and all internetpages are saved. 🙂

5. His byer feedbackk speaks for itself.

6. And there is more to come 🙂


Looks like he starts the same dirty game on other selling platforms.
Google will help 🙂

p.s.: I dont use German bank at all but Australian Bank
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@ foxette in sox

"...Ohhhhh, this post just became rather interesting after I heard back from the seller-oopsie and tsk tsk

Rosa....."

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Yes he is a smooth talker. Just make sure you have good records of the phoneconversation 🙂

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"...Your bank is certainly never going to get any money back if you did not send it in the first place......you will find yourself in trouble for trying to get a refund for money never sent in the first place...."

My bank identified and confirmed payment. Reference number for case is issued by bank. All good 🙂
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