on 22-12-2016 07:51 PM
I've been an ebay member since the 1990's.
I've seen many changes in ebay policy in that time...changes mostly for the benefit of the firm, not too many for the buyers & sellers.
The opening of these info forums could basically be a good idea, if you were allowed to name & shame crooked sellers & buyers, or show the item numbers to which you are referring, however, I've found this is not allowed. Legal reasons I guess.
As I'm recently retired & have lots of time on my hands nowadays, I've been following these boards quite a bit in the past few months.
By having these forums, the main purpose by ebay management appears to be to get members to answer questions that should be referred to ebay to respond to &/or clarify. Must save the boss a lot of staff = more money for management.
Most requests for info appear to be answered by the same group of people, who have an astounding knowledge of the rules & regulations applicable to buying & selling, I've never delved into that side of things, I'm interested only in staying within the law. I note there is a moderator who never appears to buy or sell anything, so I assume they are employed by ebay. (I did ask them that question, but never received a yes or no).
It's a shame that what started out as a great avenue for buying & selling, has just become a cash cow for those in control.
on 23-12-2016 11:12 AM
What attitude?
I'm always like this haha
on 23-12-2016 11:19 AM
@didawaywith wrote:
And I don't give a rats **bleep** about anyone being suspicious,none of their business
Indeed, please rest assured your level of community spirit is demonstrated by your posts.
23-12-2016 11:21 AM - edited 23-12-2016 11:24 AM
@wan303win wrote:OK! What it means is that you have nothing to hide...but still hide it. I'm very proud of my feedback and don't mind any other member knowing what I buy or sell, There again...I have nothing to hide.
That's great, but do you really feel it's appropriate to judge the decisions of others as somehow 'lesser', because it's not the same decision as yours? Perhaps that says less about the posters with private feedback and more about the person judging those with private feedback, if the latter is not prepared to view it any other way?
For what it's worth, I don't think anyone here needs to defend their decisions against anyone's negative opinions re: private feedback, or things like posting IDs.
If, for example, I had an ID that was exclusively used to post here on the forum and I made the FB private, and I had a bunch of people telling me that it's a little suspicius, or wonder what I'm hiding, or anything else along those lines, my care factor would be 0. Like what I post, don't like what I post, trust what I post, or not, because of those factors rather than because of what I'm actually saying, it's all a bit too superficial for me. (Note: In saying that, I accept that some people may give less credence to my personal selling advice after seeing that I don't post with my selling ID so that people can't immediately scour my 'credentials', but again, I don't care... I never intend for my advice to be unquestionably believed and followed, I intend for it to be considered, weighed and tested to see if it suits those who read it, so being able to see my selling account won't help with that).
on 23-12-2016 11:21 AM
@wan303win wrote:OK! What it means is that you have nothing to hide...but still hide it. I'm very proud of my feedback and don't mind any other member knowing what I buy or sell, There again...I have nothing to hide.
Nobody hides something that they don't feel needs to be hidden. It's that simple. I couldn't care less what you buy or sell, I only care about a personality that would want to hide that information. I can envisage all manner of reasons. However, your attitude says a lot about you even if your feedback doesn't.
Seeing as some members still do not get it that private feedback is exactly what it states,(the member want their
feedback to be private for a reason).
It has nothing to do with anyone else or their opinions as it's an option given by eBay for a reason.
IMHO it seems to be that members that believe that there should be no private feedback are the ones that want
to "sticky beak",(why else complain about a function that eBay have put in place for a reason).
Some of these reasons are:
They buy presents on that account and don't wan't the recipients to see what they buy,from who or for how
much.
Some sellers will buy items on one account and sell them on another account,(they don't want to risk others
knowing both ID's and then finding out how much they paid).
They may buy "risque" type of items and obviousy don't want others to know.
So please,stop hammering on private feedback as the only one it concerns is the person that has it,
on 23-12-2016 11:23 AM
@thecatspjs wrote:
@ircinic-7 wrote:
No, but they should not expect that others won't be suspicious about their trading experience or think that they are discussion board troll, as posting IDs also provide a cover for this type as well. Sad, but true.
With all due respect Cats, there are always 2 sides to a coin.
If the private feedback is showing a heap of green dots, what is so suspicious.
Using a seller's ID to post can sometimes be used against the seller.
There have been instances of sellers being under attack from unscruplous on here who will buy to injure.
on 23-12-2016 11:40 AM
Yes I agree with your points.
What I don't understand is the lack of understanding about why others, particualrly newbie posters, might be suspicious and not understand the yadyayayayaya..... about personal choice..... yayayayyaya. ....etc
....particularly when a number of the low or zero or private feedback posters are extremely unwelcoming to new posters and may be easily confused with a troll.
Its not rocket science.... hundreds of newbies have doubted the intentions and integrity of the same small group over many years..
on 23-12-2016 11:42 AM
~Yet another personal attack on a member
on 23-12-2016 11:47 AM
on 23-12-2016 11:50 AM
@thecatspjs wrote:As I understand it, a very small group of eBay members seem to think they "run the boards"
It's actually only a small group of members that answer most queries quickly and correctly,(the "seem to
think they run the boards" is usually put forward by members that either don't answer the questions quickly
don't answer the questions at all or just want to complain about those members).
There aren't a lot of members on the boards that do answer most queries,(I don't post in the Answer centre,
the same as a lot of the original helpful posters no longer post there)
eBay promote the boards as being a place for all eBay members for discussion as community members of eBay.
Unfortunately many new posters are not made to feel very welcome and do not return.
That can be a "problem" at times but there is also a high number of new posters that aren't interested in help
and they just want to vent or argue with someone as they feel wronged by eBay,(most don't realize that they
aren't talking to eBay).
They come to "argue" and members will oblige.
Then you have the ones that only want their answers to be correct and the ones that never return after
posting a query.
This in turn reduces the contributions that might otherwise be made.
The downturn in member participation started when the boards were hidden and taken over by Lithium,
(which of course also included "changes".
Some may be turned away from the boards due to "abrupt" type answers but that's part of the boards,(
some members say it straight as the Op's are either,"aggressive",they have given no relevant info,or those
answers can be quickly found).
.
23-12-2016 11:54 AM - edited 23-12-2016 11:56 AM
@wan303win wrote:I've been an ebay member since the 1990's.
I've seen many changes in ebay policy in that time...changes mostly for the benefit of the firm, not too many for the buyers & sellers.
The opening of these info forums could basically be a good idea, if you were allowed to name & shame crooked sellers & buyers, or show the item numbers to which you are referring, however, I've found this is not allowed. Legal reasons I guess.
As I'm recently retired & have lots of time on my hands nowadays, I've been following these boards quite a bit in the past few months.
By having these forums, the main purpose by ebay management appears to be to get members to answer questions that should be referred to ebay to respond to &/or clarify. Must save the boss a lot of staff = more money for management.
Most requests for info appear to be answered by the same group of people, who have an astounding knowledge of the rules & regulations applicable to buying & selling, I've never delved into that side of things, I'm interested only in staying within the law. I note there is a moderator who never appears to buy or sell anything, so I assume they are employed by ebay. (I did ask them that question, but never received a yes or no).
It's a shame that what started out as a great avenue for buying & selling, has just become a cash cow for those in control.
Just thought I'd address the opening post, as well.
It's unfortunate that the forum has declined in the last couple of years, it's been through quite a few incarnations, I've seen 4 since I started posting here, and it was always a vibrant, thriving community, even through all the dramas....until the last couple of years, as participation has declined rapidly (particularly since the link is no longer front and centre on everyone's page, so it can take some digging to find it). For what it's worth, I would love to see more members here, briefly or permanently - this thing works best when you have all sorts of people, from all walks of life, sharing their opinions and perspectives - part of the reason I am here is to have my own opinions challenged and to learn more.
These kinds of forums (i.e. ones that are attached to business services, products etc) are in fact expressly intended to be a free (to eBay) help centre. Most operators (including Lithium) market themselves as a way to engage and build a community, and also as a way to save a bunch of money on help centre staff, which is one of the reasons why I don't really understand why eBay started hiding the link. It's especially frustrating as it's too common for eBay CS to provide incorrect information, often to the detriment of other members. eBay CS also won't advise members of the recourse they may have available to them outside of eBay (eg in order for an eBay CS to tell a member they can report a fraudulent buyer - who has received their money back via a bogus MBG request - to somewhere like ACORN, they would first have to acknowledge that the claim could have been fraudulent).
I think some of the rules are disappointing, for sure. There used to be a long-running thread that was maintained by some very dedicated members expressly for detecting and reporting hijacked accounts, and to help members who had been caught out by scam listings. Their collective efforts and knowledge was invaluable, so it was very disappointing when eBay put a stop to it, and it became almost impossible to provide information about sellers and listings.
The problem eBay has (as I see it), is that they have made their shareholders the primary responsibility, and they are in a position whereby they don't really need to compete for sellers, so they compete for buyers...this neglects their actual customers in a lot of ways, and because of their #1 priority, often results in insincere lip service to both buyers and sellers. One can only hope they'll realise this mistake before it's too late.