Why is there so much angst

between buyers and sellers?



I have been buying from eBay for about 12 years and have rarely had any trouble.



I like the sellers and if there is a problem I assume they mean well and that something has gone wrong.



We all have problems but most of them can be sorted  by communication and other than that 'please' and 'thank you' carry a lot of weight.



Yes things can go wrong and sometime people scam you.. and if you pay by PayPal you can open a dispute thingo, which I have once or twice.... but to think people are being mean just to abuse you is wrong.



I see so many people here tussling with sellers who could have sorted the problem if they had just COMMUNICATED


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What a sensible posting Darkie. And you are so right. There seems to be so much angst and vilification here these days. So many members are beginning to think it's not worthwhile making an honest comment without being abused or ridiculed. People really do need to work together.

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Odd isn't it tuffy... after twelve years of buying from people on eBay I have had very few problems and so may of the sellers are really lovely people.



Lately I have bought something from someone that I can claim on MBF and so asked them if I could have an written receipt... they happily complied..



It's all about communication isn't it


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I have to agree, after selling for many years I have had few problems, I wonder if sometimes the questions and discussions on the boards are not some sort of 'reality tv spin off' are people just asking/commenting to make the boards exciting ?

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I don't think there is a whole lot of angst.


 


In my opinion we see here the tiny percentage of worst problems, because this is where folks come to try and sort out, get advice etc.


 


My experience as a seller and a buyer has been wonderful. I haven't yet had to open a dispute when buying. And I have only had one buyer from thousands open a dispute on me - she didn't realise that by contacting me I could fix it. In any case a little bit of communication soon sorted that problem out too.


 


 

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There is a very simple reason why the boards have so much angst, people usually only come here when they have a problem.



Most members who do the right thing as buyers or sellers don't come here to say "Had a transaction go as it should today" so it appears as if the site is fraught with danger when most people only find the boards when a problem already esists.

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I think you also have to take into account how rare it is for someone to post about / seek advice on a perfect, easy transaction in the forums - these boards are great for providing information that can create awareness of problems that can occur, and/or how to handle them as effectively as possible, as well as sometimes provide insight on the worst way to handle certain things...but the thing to keep in mind is that the issues brought here aren't indicitave of the majority of eBay transactions.



Unfortunately, though, people sometimes also alter their attitude to buyers or sellers in general after a bad experience - sometimes subtly, other times quite drastically and it unnecessarily affects how they deal with their transactions and trading partners..



I prefer not to involve myself in some of the "us vs them" stuff that can happen here, particularly as I have no idea whether I'm an 'us' or 'them', and ultimately I don't really care - I'll agree with things I agree with and disagree with things I don't agree with, regardless of the poster, and offer my opinion or advice if I feel it may be of some, general value.

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As said above, we don't see the millions of transactions that go through without any hick-ups here. The problem transactions come here and they are only a small snippet.


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While I agree with PJ about some coming here after the problem has been created I do find that some of the advice is just confrontational.


 


When someone comes here with a problem, be it created by their own behaviour or not, they should not be met with more angst when seeking help.


 


I have been stunned by some of the claims posters here can make about either a buyer or seller just from reading the OP of a thread.


 


A misunderstanding does not equal a deliberate rip off or scam yet that is some of the not so helpful advice given so freely here.


 


Sure I have had problem transactions like so many others but it isn't the be all and end all of my life on eBay.

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Personally I think that there was a LOT of damage done years ago in the "golden age" of 'tit-for-tat' feedback (ie: pre 2008), but more importantly what happened when eBay charged the feedback policies.


 


Pre 2008 buyers were scared witless of sellers leaving them negs, but the threat of copping a neg did actually help to force buyers to at least COMMUNICATE. I used to have a clause in my TOS that said something like this (not word for word):


 


Our 100% feedback is extremely important to us! If you have any problems whatsoever, please communicate with us prior to leaving feedback. We always want to help you, but if you leave bad feedback then we will deem that you don't want the matter resolved - therefore will consider the transaction completed, and will leave corresponding feedback in return.


 


Kind of a veiled threat (I worded it better than that, but you get the underlying message nevertheless). But it worked - buyers were scared of getting a neg, so they actually communicated! Many sellers now days would probably love to write something like that in their listings, and/or give a big fat retaliatory neg to the mongrel buyer who negged them because the colour was not as expected or some other trivial or non-problem.


 


But whilst this was OK when dealing with good sellers (who just wanted communication), this system meant that bad sellers rode roughshot. And many buyers left in disgust after they were bullied by sellers who'd ripped them off or refused to service them. It was like the wild west, romantic and all in the movies, but it could be deadly if your were in the wrong place at the wrong time.


 


Heaps of good members (the good, honest ones) left the site in disgust, vowing never to return. This was silly because buyer feedback doesn't mean anything anyway, but for those casual sellers who only had one ID, copping a few negs as a buyer (for doing nothing except negging a bad seller) would seriously affect selling credibility because the feedback is shared.


 


Then in 2008 eBay blocked sellers from leaving negs, and the tide turned - Buyers had THE POWER. And boy oh boy, didn't they retaliate... all the sellers were gunna PAY for the crimes of a few bad eggs over the years!


 


Now we have sellers cringing in fear... which improves service elevels considerably, but definitely doesn't help moral or trust. And many of the good buyers are gone elsewhere where they wouldn't have their account trashed if they dare to complain about a seller's performance.


 


And new, clueless buyers come instead, and they don't pay and sellers don't think there is anything they can do to stop it. Sellers get negged for the most ridiculous reasons, and the DSR stars get trashed on whims rather than real reasons. Sellers don't TRUST the buyers any more!


 


Thus breeds the angst... the lack of trust festers, and people start acting and responding based on those anxieties and fears. And those reactions cause a knock-on effect, and it's like a war.


 


I've been selling here more than 12 years now, and I've never been so scared of buyers. My service levels haven't changed, but I absolutely live in fear... it only takes FOUR low DSR scores, and my selling career is ended. And I can cop those low DSRs without the buyer ever even telling me what i did to deserve it, let alone be given an opportunity to "make good".


 


Angst... YEAP :^O

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