Anyone remember the Folbigg case?

Was a while ago. Kathleen Folbigg was sent to gaol for life for murdering her 4 babies over a 10 year span. They all died of suffocation or undetermined causes.


 


I recall the case well. She was convicted on the basis of her diary entries where she 'admitted' she felt responsible for the deaths of her babies and she felt she wasn't good enough as a mother. She also wrote about her awful relationship with her husband - he used to call her fat, he played around and she was terrified he was going to leave her.


 


He is the one who found her diary and handed it over to the police with an accusation of murder.


 


She has always said she was innocent and has appealed the case a few times. Now she has forensics experts agreeing with her.


 


Who knows what's true. But it will be interesting to see where this ends up.


 


ONE of Australia's top forensic law authorities believes the convicted child killer Kathleen Folbigg would walk free from jail if granted a retrial today - because of inaccurate evidence presented at her original trial.


Gary Edmond, a legal expert in forensic science at the University of NSW, believes a recent review of case material demonstrates that Folbigg's trial was tainted by unreliable, misleading and now outdated medical evidence.


 


''It is quite likely that experts provided evidence at the trial which they might not give today - and this needs to be reconsidered because you can't have someone remain in jail just because they were prosecuted at a particular point in time … especially if the science has moved on,'' he said.


 


''In the past few years, there have been startling revelations about problems across forensic science and medicine which should give us even more pause for what has gone in the past, particularly in controversial areas.''


 


Folbigg is serving a reduced sentence of 25 years after she was convicted in 2003 of murdering her children Patrick, eight months, Sarah, 10 months, and Laura, 19 months, between 1991 and 1999, and the 1989 manslaughter of her son Caleb, aged 19 days. While the causes of death were never determined, a picture emerged during the trial of an emotionally fragile mother with a personality disorder - whose damaging diary entries were interpreted as literal admissions of guilt.


 


But Folbigg has always maintained her innocence and Professor Edmond argues that with no scientific evidence proving any of her babies were murdered, the diary extracts alone are ''insufficient'' to keep her in jail, adding: ''They add verse but, you also have to say, they're pretty ambiguous.''


 


Once, four infant deaths in the same family automatically pointed to murder but as the legal academic Emma Cunliffe has demonstrated through six years of extensive research, that is no longer the case.


Doctor Cunliffe has written to the NSW Attorney-General, Greg Smith, attacking the medical research presented at Folbigg's trial as incomplete and misleading.


 


Dr Cunliffe cites at least eight similar cases worldwide in which mothers, in recent years, have been accused of infant murders - many of them multiple crimes. They include the Melbourne woman Carol Louise Matthey, who was charged in 2005 with smothering four children over five years. ''All the other women subjected to that form of prosecution have either been acquitted by courts of appeal or have had the evidence against them excluded by judgment,'' Dr Cunliffe said. ''Folbigg is the last one standing.''


Dr Cunliffe and Professor Edmond are not the only voices calling on Mr Smith to reopen the case. Professor John Hilton, who conducted the autopsy on Folbigg's second child, Sarah, in 1993, agrees a review is ''warranted''.


 


Professor Hilton, who was called by the prosecution as a witness in the Folbigg trial, said: ''We live in a changing world. Medicine and science never stand still - they progress. Now obviously, I sit on the medical and scientific side of all this … but it seems to me the conviction stood, or was based on, the diaries … which were open to multiple interpretations.''


 


He added: ''If you read the court transcripts, you will see that my evidence was hardly favourable to the prosecution's case.''


 


He added: ''While homicide was a possibility, there was no pathology evidence to support it.''


Of Folbigg's diary extracts, Professor Cordner said: ''It is well recognised that self-blame is a common response to infant death.''


 


While all of Folbigg's legal avenues have been technically exhausted, a spokeswoman for the Attorney-General confirmed on Saturday an application for review can be lodged under the Crimes (Appeal and Review) Act 2001.


 


How the case against a mother unfolded


 


FEBRUARY 19, 1989 Caleb dies; aged 19 days. Originally thought to have died of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. Now deemed to have died of suffocation.


 


FEBRUARY 13, 1991 Patrick dies, aged eight months. Originally believed to have died of a blockage of the airways due to an epileptic fit. Now deemed have died of suffocation.


 


AUGUST 30, 1993 Sarah dies, aged 10 months. Originally thought to have died of SIDS. Now deemed to have died of suffocation.


MARCH 1, 1999 Laura dies, aged 19 months. Cause of death not determined.


 


APRIL 19, 2001 Kathleen Folbigg is arrested at home after a two-year police investigation.


 


MAY 21, 2003 Found guilty of murdering Patrick, Sarah and Laura and of the manslaughter of Caleb; found to have inflicted grievous bodily harm on Patrick in 1990.


 


OCTOBER 24, 2003 Sentenced to 40 years' jail with a non-parole period of 30 years.


 


FEBRUARY 17, 2005 Sentence reduced by 10 years and her non-parole period by five years. Appeal against sentence dismissed.


 


DECEMBER 21, 2007 Loses a second appeal in the NSW Supreme Court. Will be eligible for release in 2028, at age 61.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/new-science-would-let-folbigg-go-free-20130202-2dr7y.html#ixzz2JmMij2Ic


 


 

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According to her diary she much preferred Laura (lived 10 mths) as a baby compared to Sarah (lived 19mths).


 


That sounds so damning doesn't it? But is it really??


 


I often jokingly tell people that my daughter was a PITA from the moment she was born. Why couldn't she have been more like my son who was a beautiful baby - so calm and easy to handle? 


 


If I had been putting pen to paper in  a personal journal all those years ago, I would have been writing things along the same lines - that I preferred my son as a baby than I did my daughter. Doesn't mean I love one less than the other.



 


It's ok to compare them, surely?


If it's not, I am a bad mother too.


 

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I just don't think it's normal to write that you prefer this baby better than the last, given the history of her dairy. I'm just joining the dots.  Its well known in our family that my youngest daughter was a PITA ...she is now 24 and we laugh about it. 

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It's normal if you are a person who keeps a diary or a journal.

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I think it is a completely different scenario to compare your own children that have grown from babies  into children, then adulthood with Kathy Folbigg and her 4 deceased children, none of whom lived longer than 19mths.

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surely the jury did not convict her on the diary evidence alone? 


 


Kelli Lane, don't believe in her innocence either, who just hands their baby over to somebody?   Oh and I did believe in Lindy Chamberlain's innocence.  This woman seems a bit evil to me.

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Many a diary/journal has been a feature in a court case (e.g. Allison Baden-Clay). People who keep them, just don't know/think that it would ever be seen/used by outsiders.

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surely the jury did not convict her on the diary evidence alone? 


 



 


Well, the police were plodding along doing nothing much (for 4 years) until the diaries were found (by her husband who handed them to the police), then she was charged.

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yes I agree they would have instigated the proceedings but once it got to court there would have been many other reasons for a conviction.

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It's normal if you are a person who keeps a diary or a journal.



 


What if a mother does write in her journal that she prefers one child over another or one child was a painful, annoying baby and that child finds that diary one day and reads it? How would that child feel.. even if they were an adult when they found the diary?


 


 

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yes I agree they would have instigated the proceedings but once it got to court there would have been many other reasons for a conviction.



True, and she did appeal in 2005, which reduced her sentence from 40 years to 30 (25 before eligible for parole) But still the guilty verdict.


 


Also, she appealed again in 2007 -  on a technicality - a juror googled her name and found her father had murdered her mother and told the other jurors.. also something else they googled/found out and shared.


Again, verdict was still guilty.


 

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